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#76417 - 03/18/00 06:29 PM Any Other 19s Out There?
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Hello, every One! I am absolutely fascinated with Chaldean numerology (as referenced to in Star Signs). I am a 19 by birth and a 23 by name. I am just curious if there are any other Princes of Heaven (or Princeses of Heaven) out there. If so, I would like to hear from you. Peace!

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#76418 - 03/18/00 10:04 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Hello Deathnomore! I am a Princess of Heaven!:-) Heeheehee. My birthnumber is also a nineteen, and my name adds to a thirteen. I also enjoy numerology... it's very interesting. I hadn't really thought much about what insights it could hold until I bought Linda's Star Signs book. I'm so glad my Higher SElf picked that one up!;-)

What Sun Sign were you again Deathnomore? I was born July 19... a looney Cancerian moonmaiden.:-) Uh oh. I forgot there's a full moon tomorrow! Heh heh. Oh those poor people I work with...hahaha. Tell me a bit more about your views on numerology sometime!


Much Love,
Princess Celeste ;-)


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#76419 - 03/19/00 12:58 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Celeste6]
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Celeste6, hello! My sun sign is Capricorn (with a Caricorn moon and a Virgo ascendant). I was born on a January 19th many moons ago! Numerology is so very important, because the Uni-verse speaks to us with numbers. All we have to do is listen (or in this case "look"). Thirteen is not bad for a name, either. What kind of snowflake miracles are you going to manifest with that unique combination? Do you know your Chinese sign? I'm a Snake. Peace.

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#76420 - 03/21/00 09:42 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Hello again Deathnomore! Just how many moons ago were you born?:-) I am eighteen going on nineteen this next July. Woohoo! One more year, and I will no longer be a teenager. I was born July 19, 1981 at just past noon. So I am a Cancer sun, Aquarius moon, and Libra ascendant. It makes for quite an interesting personality, let me tell you! And I believe I would be a rooster... right? I think I remember reading a small bit about Chinese signs... but don't know much about them yet. Do you know anything interesting about them, or what a rooster's personality is like?:-) I would love to know if you do! Talk to you again later!:-)


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#76421 - 03/22/00 05:20 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Celeste6]
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Hi Deathnomore and Celeste6,

I'm a 19 name number and a 24 birth number, much like you Deathnomore.

Blessings to you both,
Annie


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#76422 - 03/22/00 10:52 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Annie]
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Celeste6, I never reveal my age; you might say it's against my religion. hehehe People usually guess my age to be around 20 (or 22 in my Master's classes at college), but I have gotten ID'd when buying lottery tickets a few times (you have to be 18 to play). Anywho, you are a Rooster. You are very flamboyant, and appearances are very important to you. Roosters are seldom happy with how they look and are constantly improving their appearance. Inside, Roosters are very sensitive and vulnerable people. They are moved by both flattery and criticism. Roosters are very intelligent and love to read, but they would rather be judged on their looks rather than their intelligence. Roosters experience all the joys AND sorrows that Life has to offer. They are brutally frank and very honest; many of them will not even tell white lies. Roosters do not experience a lot of good fortune, so they work hard for success, which can be in any field they choose. They DO NOT like subordinate positions, but they also do not like undue stress. They make good department managers, but seldom will they choose to be supervisors. They are highly compatible with the Ox and Snake. They should stay away from the Rabbit and other Roosters. In fact (and I am not trying to be presumptuous--you can check it out yourself), the most ideal couple in Chinese astrology is the Rooster/Snake combination. These two creatures intuitively understand one another. The Chinese say that the Rooster and Snake balance each other like mind and matter! Roosters are intense in their relationships, but they tend to be domineering. Preoccupied with their own needs, they are not the most sympathetic of signs. Roosters are bold and confident lovers. They are very adept at seduction. But they are also very egocentric, and their needs must come first. Roosters stun and impress the object of their eye with their flamboyance. Then, they make themselves indispensible to that person and totally satisfy their target physically. Unfortunately, Roosters are not faithful by nature and find it hard to resist temptation. Still, they have no trouble finding and keeping admirers. Partners must have something truly exceptional about them to keep the Rooster interested. They are often afflicted with respiratory problems. Their favorite pastimes are reading and socializing. You are a Double Metal Rooster--you guys/gals are the most headstrong of all the Roosters--double trouble, if you will! Cancer Roosters are ruled by their emotions. They are more easily swayed by both flattery and criticism than are the typical Rooster. Sound like you?

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#76423 - 03/22/00 10:54 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Annie, I'm a 19 birth number and a 23 name number, but I won't hold a 19 name number against you!

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#76424 - 03/23/00 06:23 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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#76425 - 03/23/00 10:22 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Annie]
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Annie, what's your sun, ascendant, moon, and Chinese signs? Just curious!

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#76426 - 03/24/00 06:38 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Deathnomore.

I'm a Pisces, with Libra moon and ascendant.
I don't remember my chinese astrology sypbol.

Annie


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#76427 - 03/24/00 04:41 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Annie]
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Pisces is a wonderful sign! But how does Libra affect your personality with a fish sun? Seems like a little bit of a conflict. Peace.

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#76428 - 03/25/00 12:01 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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yes, I would say conflict has been a theme in my life, but probably thats true for most. I notice the constant weighing of things more and more and the strain it produces, but thats just the Libra part.

I never realized how challenged I am, having a grand cross and all, until I started learning about astrology!! haha One day at a time, doding the best I can has pretty much been my motto for years now.

Peace,
Annie


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#76429 - 03/26/00 01:20 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Annie]
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hey Deathnomore,
would mind telling me my chinese sign?
my birhtday is 5/27/78
thanks!
crystllyne
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#76430 - 03/25/00 05:55 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: crystllyne]
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Hey Crystllyne! Your chinese sign is a Horse. In China, the Horse symbolizes freedom. Horses have good images. They have a zest for Life that their friends take as bravery and independence, but deep down they are really not quite so independent. Horses rely on others for support and encouragement, which is required for their health and well being. On the surface, Horses are absolutely fearless, self-confident, and self-assured. Underneath, Horses are weak and fragile creatures. Horses are easily scared and often let themselvs get carried away by their emotions. Horses are fire signs. Fire is dynamic and exciting, and this is further enhanced by the Horses' Yang nature. Fire makes the Horse both dynamic AND temperamental. Being Yang fire, Horses have great strength when they need it. Still, people born under this sign are too easily affected by the opinions of others. Criticism or hostility easily shatters their vulnerable egos. A good example of a Horse is in the newly-released movie, Whatever it Takes. Most Horses are not as conceited as the girl in that picture, but she was easily affected by criticism, although she put on a facade of indifference. Great movie, by the way! Horses will only have access to their full strengths when they can balance their need for approval with faith in themselves. The female Horses are good persuaders and debaters (if they believe in the topic), need their own space, crave flattery and attention, enjoy dramatic scenes, appear elegant and well-groomed, do not like authority, and are usually late. Horses decorate their homes with things of sentimental value and not materialistic value. They are not good at housework, and their homes are clean but untidy. Horses prefer spending time at others' houses, but they appreciate their homes more when they are away for long periods of "time." Nevertheless, a good home environment is important for all Horses to bolster their fragile self-confidence. The Horse sign is harmonious with your Gemini and other air placements. Horses need jobs with variety. They are fast-talking and fast-thinking, but they are not good with long-term planning or organization. Horses are very imaginitive, are skilled communicators, and and are very good at brainstorming. They can come up with many ideas, but don't expect them to carry out any of those ideas! Horses hate routine and are unable to pay attention to details. Horses are very inconstant creatures. Horses are most compatible with Tigers, Goats, and Dogs. They should avoid Rats, Rabbits, and Monkeys. Horse rules the heart, so all horses should take care of their heart and lower intestines. You are an Earth Horse! Earth balances your fire and air placements. It grounds you and makes you much more dependable than typical Horses. Earth brings stability to you and makes you less flighty. It also makes you more able to pay attention to details (when necessary) and makes you more able to see a project to its end. These Horses are more cautious and responsible, but they are less fun. Earth Horses display minor eccentricities. Gemini Horses are even more enthusiastic, rebellious, and sociable than other Horses. Gemini and Horse is a very smooth comingling of signs and their traits. Hope you liked this. Bye!

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#76431 - 03/26/00 12:21 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Deathnomore
thankyou for that...i am blown away. i didn't realize chinese astrology was as 'right on' as western astrology. everything you wrote sounds like me! LOL
thanks again
crystllyne
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#76432 - 03/26/00 10:32 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: crystllyne]
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Crystllyne, Eastern astrology also has something similar to ascendants. It is based upon the hour of One's birth. This is called the "inner companion of life." Each two-hour slot is assigned an animal. This is crucial for understanding a person's true nature, but it is especially useful in determining compatibility. For example, I am sure every One would agree that you and I get along well with each other. Snakes and Horses DO NOT get along. How can this be? Well, my inner companion is a Dog, and Dogs and Horses are VERY compatible! The inner companion overrides any problems with the main sign as it relates to compatiblity. But it doesn't overrule the positive aspects of the main sign. Peace to all.

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#76433 - 03/26/00 09:42 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Hmmm, thats interesting.
does eastern astrology go based on the planets and asign certain characteristics to planet as in western astrology?
and, have you found one kind to be more accurate than the other?
~curious
crystllyne
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#76434 - 03/27/00 06:19 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: crystllyne]
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No, Eastern astrology doesn't rely upon the placements of the planets. The Chinese only knew of five planets which govern the five elements (unlike Western astrology that only has four elements). Western astrology is more detailed in many respects; however, Eastern astrology is far more accurate as far as personality, character analysis, and compatibility is concerned. Western astrology can't withstand scientific scrutiny as it relates to personality profiles (they fail every time). That is not to say that Western astrology isn't true--just that the character analyses are based on enough vagueness that causes them to fail scientific testing. By the way, what is the hour of your birth? Let me k-now, and I will tell you your inner companion.

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#76435 - 03/27/00 05:02 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Hi Deathnomore,
Can you figure out my chinese sign? And where are you getting these definitions from? Are they from a book or something? Do you ever tell ppl your real age?
Neha
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#76436 - 03/27/00 05:03 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
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Hi Deathnomore,
Can you figure out my chinese sign? And where
are you getting these definitions from? Are
they from a book or something? Do you ever
tell ppl your real age?
Neha
PS- My bday is June 22, 1984
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#76437 - 03/27/00 07:18 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
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my birth time is 3:20 pm.
by the way, what is the fifth element according to eastern philosophy?
love,
crystllyne
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#76438 - 03/27/00 09:44 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: crystllyne]
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Hi, Neha! Your Chinese sign is the Rat. I have several books that were my Teachers in Eastern astrology, as well as my experience with how the particular signs interact and manifest. Tell any One my age!?! NO WAY! But people can guess all day! Just take a number, though! You Rats are so entertaining!

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#76439 - 03/27/00 10:16 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Crystllyne, your inner companion is the Monkey. The Chinese system is based upon the Lunar year, while the Western system is based upon the Solar year, so the Chinese sign dinner "placemats" in Chinese restaurants can be wrong (the new year begins at different times each year, so the full year does not govern just one sign). Just giving you a few interesting facts to ponder! Legend has it that Buddha invited all animals to visit him, but only twelve animals showed up. To reward those twelve, he gave every animal a year. The years were allocated in the order in which the animals showed up. The five elements are: Water (ruled by Mercury), Metal (ruled by Venus), Fire (ruled by Mars), Wood (ruled by Jupiter), and Earth (ruled by Saturn). (No Air in Eastern astrology! Sorry!) Each Element can manifest itself in any combination of several positive and negative aspects. Each year is ruled by a different Element (as well as a sign), so we go through sixty different cycles. Each animal also has its own natural Element. Interpretations can get rather complicated! Also, according to Chinese philosophy, the entire Uni-verse is ruled by two primal forces--Yin and Yang. As one increases, the other decreases, and vise versa. Each of the five Elements has a positive and a negative side. Which of these are expressed in people depends on whether their animal sign is Yin or Yang. For example, the Rat is a Yang Water animal, so for Rats, the qualities of the Element water are expressed positively. Pigs, on the other hand, are Yin Water animals, so the qualities of the Element Water express themselves negatively in Pig people. This controls everything from emotional disposition to health to physical attributes! And, of course, you then have to add the Yin/Yang, Element, and animal of the current year to the analysis! Whew! Chinese astrology is much more than just the year of One's birth! That would be like saying that Western astrology is just One's sun sign! This year is the year of the Dragon. It is a great year of Luck, prosperity, and abundance. Markets are volatile, and many fortunes will be made (or lost) this year. Millionaires are being made every day in the commodity markets due to this volitility (gasoline prices, for instance). Next year is the year of the Snake (my sign). I have been looking forward to the year 2001, because this is when my busineses will prosper beyond my highest expectations (since I am a snake). Eastern astrologers acknowledge Western astrology and comingle it, but Western astrologers usually fail to give any validation to Eastern astrology! Hope this wasn't too confusing! Peace.

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#76440 - 03/28/00 11:00 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Just to clarify a couple of comments, Deathnomore, when you say that Eastern Astrology doesn't rely on the sign placement of the planets, you mean Chinese astrology, right? Because Vedic astrology is often called "Eastern" astrology and, while it also differs from traditional Western astrology, it certainly does utilize the sign placements.

Also, as a Western astrologer, I feel impelled to ask what you mean when you say that the character profiles given by Western astrology cannot pass "scientific" testing. In my experience, character profiling is precisely what Western astrology excels at ... surely one of the reasons most people were attracted to Linda's work to begin with was the amazingly accurate character analyses in her books, wouldn't you say?

Now it may well be that the accuracy of these analyses can't be "scientifically" tested (depending on what you mean by "scientific" in the context of personality assessment, which is always subjective at best) ... but if that's so, then certainly Chinese or any other astrology would fail the same "scientific" tests. Or am I missing something?

Greg

BTW, I've used and studied Yin/Yang and Five Element theory for a lifetime, so I'm certainly not pooh-poohing Chinese astrology by any means. I just don't think the value of Western astrology needs to be undercut in order to value the Chinese approach.

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#76441 - 03/28/00 03:05 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Gregory]
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Hi, Gregory! Major faux pas on my part--I did mean Chinese astrology when I spoke of the Eastern system. I know little about Vedic astrology. To my knowledge, Chinese astrology has never been tested in a scientific experiment, but you are correct--it is likely that it would fail those tests. Crystllyne asked me which was more effective in my opinion, so I gave that opinion. I am by no means putting astrology down! Numerous studies have been done to see if any astrologer can match chart data with random participants, and none have done better than chance. Other studies have involved such things as giving the personality profile of a mass murderer to a group of participants who were amazed at the results and who (almost) all thought it described them perfectly! Humans are highly suggestible. I am a firm believer in both forms of astrology, but I also like to keep abreast of the scientific community. The same thing goes for astral travel, telekinesis, and ESP--none of which can withstand scientific scrutiny; in a laboratory environment "psychics" seem unable to perform. This could have a lot to do with the environment. Most psi phenomena are accidental and occur at random intervals usually based upon some type of emergency situation that grants added emotion to the event. This is not easy to generate in a manufactered and artificial environment (laboratory). There is a million dollar reward to any psychic who can pass a simple scientific test to prove such abilities. Not a single psychic has come forward to claim the prize. Once again, I am a believer, not a skeptic, but I do like to keep up with the latest findings. Past magicians (such as Uri Geller) who have fooled researchers with simple parlor tricks have done much to taint the names of those in the paranormal fields who are genuine in their beliefs and practices. There was one study where the astrological charts correctly predicted occupation at a much higher percentage than chance, but it was swept under the rug by the scientific community and never replicated! I would very much like to see a really good astrologer pass scientific scrutiny and lend some credence and respect to astrology, and I'm sure it will happen one day. Linda could have done so. And I am sure Sydney Omarr could as well. But to this date, it hasn't happened. Skeptical Inquirer is a really good journal for people who are interested in what science believes about a number of issues. It is also good for showing what the "official" scientific position is on ADD, Anorexia, and Dyslexia (not just what the psychiatrists claim). I believe that some things are too fleeting to lend themselves to strict scientific testing, but that doesn't mean those things do not exist. That is why they are called paranormal. But other things SHOULD be testable in a scientific fashion if these things are NOT paranormal (like disorders). Science just adds another dimension to Spirit. I did not mean to sound as if I intended to put down Western astrology, because that was not my intent. Chinese astrology has never failed those strict tests (as Western astrology has), but I did not mean to imply that it would not. Still, in my humble opinion, I find Chinese astrology to be more reliable as it relates to compatibilities between persons. Just personal preference, I guess. And being an Immortal--well, science just has no clue about such a topic. Like Linda said, they should be studying Progeria, but there just isn't any money in researching the eight or so cases that pop up each year. So, by no means am I in total support of science (the same science that is based on the germ theory of dis-ease and virus ghost-chasing). But science has its place. (It just doesn't k-now its place! HA!) Peace.

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#76442 - 03/28/00 04:02 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Gregory, some One just compared my writing to yours! Wow! I am truly flattered. Or..should YOU be? Hee, just kidding. Did you get to read any of Behold a Pale Horse yet? I am anxious to hear your comments and criticisms. Blessed be.

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#76443 - 03/28/00 04:10 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Hi Deathnomore-
so what's the rat's personality like?
thanks,
neha
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#76444 - 03/28/00 11:48 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
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#76445 - 03/29/00 07:24 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: crystllyne]
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Neha, I'll post your personality tonight. Illusory "time" always has me in a rush...

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#76446 - 03/29/00 12:59 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Well we could BOTH take it as flattery, Deathnomore!

I'm very scientifically and analytically-minded myself (with a 10th house Virgo Sun conjunct Mercury how could I NOT be?) ... but I have over the years realized that there are some things poorly suited to scientific scrutiny for a simple reason: science is designed to examine OBJECTIVE phenomena (that is, things that are weighable, measurable, or otherwise quantifiable) and does a brilliant job of that. But it is useless for understanding SUBJECTIVE phenomena (consciousness, emotions, synchronistic happenings and so on). These things by their very nature are NOT quantifiable, and therefore not amenable to scientific "proof" or "disproof."

Just a tiny example of how the scientific method breaks down in astrological research -- let's say you're doing a study of Mercury in the 10th house, where you would expect the natives with that signature to be involved in "communications-related occupations." Now here's Joe Blow with Mercury in the 10th, but he's a warehouse worker for a factory. From a scientific or statistical point of view, that immediately becomes a datum tending to "disprove" the traditional wisdom ... but the scientific study can't know that he is the one person in the warehouse that everybody talks to and asks questions of - that in fact he IS a primary communicator on the job! No scientific study will never make that correlation because his job title (the objectively measurable thing about occupation) has nothing to do with communications. Yet everyone who knows him will immediately recognize when an astrologer says that Joe will excel at work-related communications, "Oh, yeah, that fits him to a T!"

Greg

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#76447 - 03/29/00 09:29 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Gregory]
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You never cease to amaze me, Greg! You are BRILLIANT! Keep up the good work (spiraling)!

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#76448 - 03/29/00 10:42 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Hi, Neha! The Rat is the first sign in the Chinese zodiac. As "Luck" would have it, 1900 was a Rat year, so it is rather easy to determine which year we are currently in by a simple calculation. According to Legend, the rat was Buddha's favorite animal; the Rat was the first to arrive to wish Buddha a fond farewell before he ascended. Rats are not dishonest, but they are clever, and sometimes this can be viewed as "sneaky." Some people (who are not personally familiar with the Rat) may view a particular Rat as less than ethical, but this is simply due to the fact that the Rat always manages to find a way to come out of every situation without many losses. They seem to always find a way to win in any situation. Rats appear so harmless, but this animal should never be underestimated! Rats are interested in anything secretive, mysterious, or unusual. Rats appear calm, but inside, they experience extreme restlessness. They are easily bored, and they have an almost compulsive fear of failure. Rats tend to be gullible, but they quickly learn from experience with "almost blunders," so many Rats are always casually "on guard." The Rat is ruled by Water, which imbues it with the power to influence others. Water also gives the Rat restraint, persistence, and even great leadership skills (if the Rat is willing to develop this inner talent). The Rat is Yang, but Water is Yin, so the Rat is very balanced. Rats are not lazy by any means, but they do not like very hard work (there IS a difference). Rats prefer to work by their wits and not by physical labor. Rats love sales, as they are very thrifty, and they find it difficult to turn down a really good bargain. Rats are probably the most senimental of all the signs, especially on birthdays and anniversaries. Although thrifty, Rats are very generous to those they Love! As a general rule, Rats are not domestic people (unless there is a conflict in their inner companion), but they do like to have somewhere to go for a retreat. The typical Rat home will be comfortable, and Rats do like to entertain guests occasionally. A Rat home will be very tidy. Rats make great hosts; they like to cook for their guests, and they want their guests to be very comfortable. An avid collector of knick-knacks, the Rat home will be well furnished. At work, Rats have an aggressive drive, but they have little direction with which to focus that drive. Rats can be trouble-makers at work if there is too little for them to do to stay busy. Rats are also guilty of engaging in gossip, especially at work. Rats are good gamblers (unlike Snakes such as myself who couldn't win a contest if I was the only participant and the contest was rigged). Rats can unearth solutions to the most difficult of problems. Regardless of their actual occupation, ALL Rats are detectives at heart! Rats dislike mundane everyday Life, rigid timetables, red tape, having nothing to do, any kind of failure, and ALARM CLOCKS! Rats are the most comatible with Oxen, Dragons, and Monkeys. They also get along very well with Rabbits, Snakes, Dogs, and Pigs. Conflicts can arise with the Rooster and Goat, but Rats should stay away from Horses altogether. The Horse and Rat rub each other the wrong way in a very bad way. Unless they have a compatible inner companion, they should avoid each other as much as possible. When a Rat falls in Love, everything is passion and romance. The Rat is very cautious and nervous at first, but once the relationship is firmly established, the Rat's generosity K-nows no bounds! Rats will be very sentimental about little things shared with their partners. They are likely to save things that others would consider trivial, but to a Rat, this is what Love is all about. Unfortunately, once Rats feel secure in a relationship, they tend to become selfish and demanding. This can alienate their partners, and Rats need to work on this flaw. Rat should watch their health as it relates to the kidneys and bladder. Rats are usually not sports-oriented, and prefer instead, puzzles and games of chance. Rats are very social creatures, and they like to keep up with fashions. They enjoy bargain-hunting, especially for antiques. You are a Wood Rat, so you may be creative in some way, usually in an artistic fashion. Wood Rats are also endowed with self-confidence and a strong moral sense. On the negative side, Wood can give a Rat too many options, leading to a complexity that is often unmanageable. Combined with indecisive Water, this can mean trouble. Your sun sign of Cancer is very compatible with your Rat qualities. Cancer Rats are very sensitive to the needs of others, protective of those they Love, and surprisingly good at business. Cancer Rats are great dreamers, but they have what it takes to make those dreams come true. A great combination!

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#76449 - 03/30/00 04:12 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Wow! That is soo accurate! I hate sports and working hard, a lot of ppl who dont know me do call me lazy. I do look really calm, but Im the total opposite when it comes to the way I think. Can you find my inner sign. Is that like the moon sign in western astrology? I was born on 9:02 AM.
Thanks a LOT,
Neha
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#76450 - 03/30/00 04:21 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
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HI deathnomore,
You know how Cappys get younger as they grow older? How does that work if youre immortal. When youre like, 200 years old, will you act like youre five or something? And what does youre family think about you being immortal? Has anyone else you know tried it? Are you more attracted to ppl who are your illusionary age or your real age? God, I just have so many questions!
Neha
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#76451 - 03/30/00 06:01 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
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Hi, there Neha! The inner companion is more of an ascendant than a moon sign. Your inner companion is the Snake!!!!!! Unfortunately, this still makes the Horse incompatible with you. Cappies don't really grow younger as they "age." Their psychological age just does a reverse. For example, it is common to see a Cappy out skating with his or her grandchildren! Us Cappies grow up fast, and we are very serious as children. We never really experience our youth. But stern Saturn is not all that bad, because he gives us our childhood later in Life. I'm in that stage. I am carefree, and I play and enjoy Life with child-like awe and wonder. Chldren tend to gravitate toward me in droves, because I understand them, respect their views, value their opinions, and show them the attention that every child deserves. And I'm just a big kid myself! Perhaps I've missed my calling; I should have been a clown, because I can ALWAYS make a child laugh! I should volunteer in children's cancer wards, and that is my goal. Cappies do return to mental youth, but that doesn't mean that I will ever act like a five-year-old or a two-year-old! It doesn't work that way! Most of my immediate family are still alive, and they see that I have not aged, but they refuse to accept it for themselves. They are religious, and it is this that keeps them still honoring death. It's sad. MoneyBaby (from this site) and I are best friends (and roommates). He is also an Immortal. My Solar age (the number of "years" that pass) is the ILLUSORY age. My REAL age is my Cellular age (how I look and how old my body "thinks" it is) and in a secondary fashion, my Mental age (how I act and feel). I am in no way attracted to people who are close to my Solar age. I am attracted to girls who are 18 to their early 20s (same as ME). I did date a 17-year-old awhile back, and being a Gemini, she could not keep a secret (my Solar age). She bragged about dating an "older" guy, and her father was furious! But once he met me, he wanted me to marry his daughter and get her out of his house! He saw that I looked and acted her age, had never been married, had no children, didn't smoke or drink, wanted to wait until marriage to have sex, and was far more mature and responsible than guys from her school while still retaining child-like youth and energy (an overall nice guy). She and I went to her Prom, and it was wonderful (I never went to my own Prom). Despite her father's deep wishes, she and I were more friends than anything else, and she married her first Love. *sigh* I go to college to be around people who look around my Cellular "age.' With you having a Snake for an inner companion, you should be very good and extremely successful in business, especially as a Cancer. The Snake does make you more prone to gambling losses, but calculated risks (as in business) will always pay off for you. You should definitely become self-employed! The Snake inner companion also makes you very beautiful. You don't have "perfect" features, but the overall effect is one of stunning beauty. That's how the opposite sex views you. Your skin is lovely! I have good skin, but my Capricorn influence combined with my age reversal has given me occasional acne outbreaks. Oh, the woes of youth! Any other questions?

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#76452 - 04/02/00 05:09 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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wow, Neha
those are wonderful questions!
i knew i had some more questions about it, i just didn't know what they were until you asked them..hee-hee.

i am curious too, about the attraction of either solar age or cell age.

even now, i find it difficult to connect with someone my true solar age, and i wonder if, i were to stay this age cellularly if that would pose even greater problems of meeting someone i can connect with, because spiritually, emototionally and intellectually i will have matured (i hope) simply through experience, however i won't look it.

what if mentally i connect with 60-70 year old men, but physically attracted to 20 year old men? lol

i know it probably doesn't matter anyhow, because life happens as it will, i am just pondering.

Deathnomore do you think in about 20-30 years from now that your parents will believe you?? hehe

love,
crystllyne

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#76453 - 04/02/00 09:28 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: crystllyne]
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Crystllyne, I regret that in 20 years or less, I will probably no longer have my parents. *sigh* But I can at least see my great great great (infinity) grandchildren! To answer your other question, why can't you be a catalyst for wisdom to the guy you next share your Life with? These "younger" girls I've dated always learn a lot from knowing me. I'll admit, it would be nice meeting some One smarter than I for a change (modest aren't I?), but I do not mind it the other way around either. You just need a person with an open mind, and then you can have him become a very wise Soul soon after meeting you if he is ready and if his Free-will tinker toys allow for it. Peace.

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#76454 - 04/03/00 04:39 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Hi Deathnomore,
I was just wondering...How do you tell ppl youre immortal? Like if youre dating someone, how do you tell the person something like that? Has anyone ever left you thinking youre weird or something? My friends think Im a weirdo for even beleiving in immortality! You know how Linda said immortals "disappear" and just start new lives? Are you going to do that, or just stick around and let ppl know?
Neha
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#76455 - 04/03/00 05:34 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
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Hi, Neha! I usually start out with vaccinations being dangerous. That usually ends my relationships pretty quickly. The Truth has to be swallowed in small bites (you can't eat an elephant in one sitting), and immortality is the last thing I share. Believe me, if a girl is still around me by the "time" that I share my immortality with her, then it won't scare her off! She would have left much sooner! I DO wish I could just be like every One else sometimes and not K-now all that I do. *sigh* Things got easier when Linda wrote Star Signs. Now, I just tell them to read the book! At least I can laugh about my failed relationships! Anywho, I plan on obtaining a new identity (unless the world becomes more accepting in the next couple of decades). You ARE weird, but in a good way. Don't change!

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#76456 - 04/03/00 11:25 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Deathnomore

i love YOUR quote thats a great ONE!!!

crystllye

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#76457 - 04/04/00 01:06 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: crystllyne]
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Hello Deathnomore,

What is your background in spirituality? Self explored, family, taught through mentorship, as you seem to have inner wisdom.


lay a bar seed in the sands of destiny and so shall it be

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#76458 - 04/04/00 04:12 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: merlin]
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Hi, Merlin. We all have inner wisdom if we would just listen less to Ego and more to Spirit. The closer I get to Spirit, the more wisdom I acquire. Still, I enjoy physical existence--a good meal, a movie that brings tears of joy to my eyes, and alas, too much tv. But I maintain my connection to Spirit, and in doing so Truth is revealed to me in the most unusual of ways. When I have a question, a book from a yard sale has even answered it! Twenty-five cents for a Uni-versal Truth--now THAT"S a bargain! And I have mentors (GURUs) as well. My family is about as superficial as the come (although I Love them very much). So, I didn't inherit my wisdom, that's for sure. And I use books to help me re-member. Even the books that are not Truth have a grain of merit to bring me more illumination, although they might lead some people astray. Seek Spirit, and all things will be revealed to you. All knowledge comes from the whole (although we each can contribute more to the records). But all in all, though flattered by your comments, I have much to learn. My journey has but just begun. And I have not always been pleased with the Truths I have learned, but with Truth comes the responsibility of Teaching. I will continue to do so, even though I am attacked on a daily basis in this world. This voice of Truth will not be silenced. Out of very ten or twenty who mock, one silent heart will hear--one Spirit wil re-member--one door to illumination will open. Thak you for your kind words. Blessed be.

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#76459 - 04/04/00 02:57 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Hi deathnomore,
do you beleive in face reading?
neha
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#76460 - 04/04/00 07:37 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
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Yes, I do believe that face reading holds much merit, although not as much as palmistry. Aside from some lines, the face changes very little (but it is good for personality profiles). Palm lines, mounts, and other features change when One alters One's future, although personality characteristics (finger length, hand size, etc.) is unchangeable. I think face reading is neat! Do you?

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#76461 - 04/05/00 04:39 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
Neha Offline
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Yeah, I beleive in face reading. Its really accurate. Im always reading ppl's faces in my head. Whenever I look at a person, I think things like..oh she has small lips, she must be an introvert.
If you do change your identity, how would you do it? Would you just age and then dissapear? And how will you keep in touch with your family?
Neha
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#76462 - 04/05/00 05:39 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
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Hey there DeathnOMore,

Maybe I'm just jealous but the hair on the back of my neck is up.

Prove thee self. I'm a 19 - 19 on the 1/19.
Me thinks you are a 19 + 23.

I challenge your 23 power, wimp.
Show your birthdate and time with location.
I command you by my Karma rignt.
So Lion, bite me or sprawl at my feet.

Darwin Webb

*looks at watch*
I'm waiting, tuff guy!
*anybody have a chair*


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#76463 - 04/06/00 01:02 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: proxymoon]
Anonymous
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Neha, changing One's identity is easy (but not necessarily legal). There is NO WAY I would age first! Once my chrono age (solar age) gets too much compared to my cellular age (physical age), I would just take my children (if I have any) and vamoose (the Deathnomore Relocation Program). Another country is a possibility. Or let my company run for a few years and return as my son! Creative, huh? Maybe immortality will catch on (doubtful). Any suggestions? And Proxymoon, I do not fully understand your post. Peace.

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#76464 - 04/06/00 03:51 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
Neha Offline
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Hi Deathnomore,
If I was immortal, Id move to different parts of the world. One lifetime in America, one in Africa, one in India...you know. It would be a much more interesting way to use the time I have. Wont it be kinda weird if your kid is 20 and you look just like him?
How would you feel if one of your kids decided you were crazy and wanted to be a Christian? I have nothing against Christianity, but I would freak out if my kid decided that I was going to hell or something.
Neha
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#76465 - 04/06/00 04:01 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
Neha Offline
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hi deathnomore,
I forgot to ask you...You know how its against the law for children to go to school without vaccinations? How will you deal with that with your kids? Ive been vaccinated a lot of time, and now Im just kinda scared!
Neha
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#76466 - 04/06/00 06:28 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
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Neha, vaccinations are not required to attend school! Go to Bird Lady's thread on this same Forum called "Immnizations?" You will see a lot of information on this very subject. It would not be awkward for my child and I to look the same age; it happens all the "time" with parents that have good genes and age slowly. No child of mine would EVER be a Christian! Without being too critical or insulting, let me just say that Christian belief systems are conditioned from birth. My child will be rational-thinking and a seeker of Truth. My child will drive the teachers crazy, if he or she is outspoken, but a Christian? Peace.

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#76467 - 04/07/00 02:43 PM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
Neha Offline
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Hi deathnomore,
where I live, vaccinations are required. We get notices in school and we get about two months to get vaccinated. If we dont, we cant go to school. The people at school say its a law, so thats why I thought so. But even if it isnt a law, I know my mom will always make me since shell probably think its crazy to not get vaccinated.
Neha
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#76468 - 04/08/00 12:01 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There? [Re: Neha]
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Hi, Neha. You should research the subject, and one day when you have kids, you might decide to make an educated choice about vaccinations (whatever that choice may be). At least you'll be informed.

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#76469 - 04/08/00 12:02 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
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Where did Celeste6 go?

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#76470 - 04/08/00 11:31 AM Re: Any Other 19s Out There?
Neha Offline
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