daisy,

Sumari? huh?

as for dude thats gone, I just found it funny that he had three logins...the part I find the funniest though, is something was telling me in the back of my mind, its the same guy(when I read Bels defense of URs...)
it felt too similar,...you know?

Es, we all did...it's hard to fool people with psychic tendancies
but there was a small matter of proof.
Thanks Greg for answering our prayers.

Good lesson for anyone wanting to work work in investigative fields...
Leopards don't usually change their spots....or their M.O. (Modus operandi)

Es; I'm spun out by your dream etc. I'ts great! Sorry, but I havn't got anything to offer yet...I'm going to sit here and learn though I'm enthralled
keep seeking!

light;
Aus

Hi Esecasco

I'm still mind boggled about this.
I'm going to quote something for you:
This is from the introduction to The Nature Of Personal Reality by Jane Roberts:

Quote>>>
Sumari refers to a "family" of consciousnesses who share certain overall characteristics. There is a language involved that isn't a language in usual terms. I think that it operates as a psychological and psychic framework that frees me from normal verbal reference, letting me express and communicate inner feelings and data that lie just below formalized word patterns.<<<Unquote.

Does that ring any bells for you?
Sumari can be translated into a verbal language, or it can be represented in symbols...

I'm sorry I don't know much about it, I haven't paid much attention to it when reading Jane's books because it's not really my "field" so to speak...but it sounds like it might be yours

Calling Moonglow... Come shine some of that lovely moonlight on us here.

Di: no, they don't
he he

Pay attention to that voice in the back of your head Es...it will take you where you need to go...

hehe, I'll keep seeking in this life, and in the next

I was curious about something, because I recall, but I don't know from where, that people can't read in their dreams....and the thing is, that I can always read in dreams, road signs, books, etc, etc, so I was wondering whether those were dreams, or visions

hehe, speaking of visions, and dreams...craziest two dreams I've ever had are one when I was real little, about five years old, I dreamt that my dads aunt had died(she was really old)and that she had come to my house to claim me, and she was followed by everyone, she looked like a skeleton, but she wore a cape, and everyone that followed her, were just skeletons, she said she was going to turn me into one of them...and I recall running away, I was in the street running away from all of these skeletons...I woke up completely shocked.

second one was when I was about 8 years old. I was running in a completely black area, there was no light, but there was one light, so I ran towards it, when I was about to reach the light, I noticed a huge demon standing in it(I felt it was satan) to say the least, I was both frightened, and impressed with his sheer power...he looked tall, roughly 20 feet, incredably strong...a huge wing span, but I didn't get an evil feeling from him, but felt that I should leave, so as I tried to stop, I fell on the floor, and as I hit the floor(my back hit the floor)I woke up, I looked at the clock, and not even a minute had passed.

strange no?
welp, about the other dream, I don't know what to make of it, had it about a year ago, and whenever I think of it, I don't know....

daisy, what you said about sumari sounds very familiar, and some ways.

I've called it something else, its a way of thinking I find myself using in times of trouble, or when I have to figure something out very quickly...I call it subconscious thought, and communication...

when I use this, I find myself able to process information very quickly...somewhat like only taking information in, and being very impulsive on how to use it...its very subjective though...three examples:

1.one morning I was walking to school(this is pretty recent)and I saw a dog, and I sensed that he had some sort of bad intention towards me...so I subconsciously sent him a message saying that if he got anywhere near me, I would kick the shit out of him...he got up, looked at me in a strange way, and then just took off, and kept looking behind him...I feel bad for scaring him...but I felt something bad about him.

2.I was in an auto shop class, and I was inflating a wheel, but it wouldn't seal(so the air kept leaking out)and I was running my finger close to the rim, and the rubber, on the inside, feeling the air, and then all of a sudden something told me, move your finger!, so I pulled it back quickly, and then a split second later the wheel sealed..so half a second, and I would have lost my finger nail

3.I was in class, and everyone was talking, but we were supposed to be reading a book. I was getting annoyed by it, and my friend who was sitting in front of me, was annoyed too, so he tells me, "man, I can't concentrate", I say, "yeah, me neither, want them to shut up?" he goes , "yeah" so I said"okay, wait a sec" I closed my eyes concentrated and sent all of them the message "you don't want to say anything, you don't know why, but you don't"after about 5 seconds, the room became completely quiet, my friend was laughing, he was amazed I lost my concentration, and a girl said "why is everyone so quiet?" everyone had a dumbfounded look on their faces

so thats what I get from that...I try using this every now and then...when I was in the tenth grade(which is why I asked dave about it)was when I found this...it was also the time in which I started getting messages...they always came in this form...but it was more info on stuff I inquired about...like if I asked about a dog, I would get information on him...its wierd, very subjective.

Es;

I get a really strong feeling from the second dream (the one when you were 8) that you're higher s-ELF was urging you to seek the light but that this went against what "society" (or family) believed in; as if you had been warned not to get mixed up in this sort of thing (metaphysics, the occult) as it was a "bad" thing. Your Higher self recognised that this was not "bad" but felt that it was not yet time to challenge other's beliefs.
so it advised you to leave, but gave you a "taste" of the sheer size and power of the idea.

(Hey I could be totally off track with this - ignore if you wish to)

Hey wow;
your post wasn't there when i posted... you are soooo lucky! (gifted)
Just be careful that you always use it for good... it could be too tempting sometimes to control others and this would be a corrupting influence on your spirit.
cheers

australdi,

actually, that makes alot of sence, because the occult is always associated with evil, for example, people being burnt because people thought they were witches.

hehe, actually, it makes ALOT of sence...when I was little I used to be very religious, always wanting to know about angels, etc, etc...I even recall one time when I was little, my brother was sick, so while I headed to school, I told my guardian to leave me and take care of him, that I could take care of myself if I needed to...when I got home my brother felt alot better

hehe, now that I think about it...I've always been interested in telekenisis...and something kept telling me that I would eventually have that ability...but not if I kept thinking the way I kept thinking(being religious, not questioning things)

I only find myself able to move objects when I get incredably angry...I'll be mad, and a book will fall on the floor, but make a really loud noise, as if saying "hey, calm down!"

whoa, I gotta really consider all of this

Daisi

could you start a new thread on Sunami(??sp??) I am really facinated by this I did not realise there was a way to verbalise these thoughts.

(((Please anyone))) an "alphabet" would be great!
(((calling)))

hehe, an alphabet for that would be tough

hmm...hmmm....maybe not...it seems feasible...I'd need about a good 10000 symbols ....and alot of time!

I'd say my ability in this is roughly that of someone who just learned a complex new language, and knows enough to get by as a tourist, but not as a local

OH, my, the way you misspelled that...
I am pretty sure there is another consciousness group called Sunami which is like a spin-off of the Sumari grouping...I am going nuts trying to find the reference to it...
I feel like I'm falling down the rabbit hole, help!
I am seriously tripping out on all this.
Can I start a thread on Sumari? Well...the best I could do is to just keep posting quotes out of the Jane Roberts books...
Why not read them for yourselves? They are actually called the Seth books, Jane was a channeler of an entity named Seth...there is a lot you will read about other than Sumari, believe me, you won't regret reading these books!
The one I quoted from above is a good one to start with...but I think Sumari is talked about the most in The Unknown Reality volume 2...
Also there is The Oversoul Seven Trilogy, which are Jane's own books, fictional not channeled...Esecasco, that would be a good place for you to start if you are interested...your dream reminded me a lot of the way the people in the first book of the trilogy rediscover Sumari...
Like I said, I haven't concentrated on Sumari because it's not my main area of interest...so I can't tell you much off the top of my head...let me glance through my books a bit though and I'll try to give some basic info
I am in awe of your talents Es...please do use caution as Australdi said...
There is so much in my mind right now I feel as if it would take months to explain it all...besides I am kind of whacked right now, someone was trying hard to make my ears burn today (not who you think, but someone on about the same level) and I need to clear myself out and rest...
I love you both
Think we've got one hell of a ride on this thread now...for us at least...

hehe, I would never become corrupt, I have had instances in which someone will say I will become a leader when the world is troubled...so thats something to see

as a result of that...I have promised myself to never become corrupt, no matter what, every person has the abilities I do, if they don't use them, that up to them, but the potential is there, so to be so rude as to claim myself greater than anyone else(as a ruler does)is foolish, and would be reason enough for expulsion

just remembered a strange thought(vision, very vivid)I recieved a while back, I was in a boat, a medium sized one, that had supplies in it, I was a stowaway, and all I had was a rifle, its dark, and I could see the moon light in the water....I was heading to a faraway place to face an enemy...all that info from a 1/2 second image

hehe, I'm a humble introverted leo

Keep opening your mind up to images Es, there'll be an answer there somewhere!

I just did a search on sumari (see i got it right this time ). the site is under construction at the moment but there are a heap of seminars in canada comming up. I think they're based in toronto. ( a bit to far away for me at the moment. )
still I'll keep searching. I'm searching for a 2nd hand copy of Sun signs too.
cheers

welp, felt I should post two dreams, and see if anyone can help on the interpretation of em had em both last night

one:I was searching for something in a place I used to work(I quit because I wanted to kill this one guy that used to piss me off, so rather than do that, I decided to leave)welp, I was in this place, but it was clean, it used to be dirty and messed up, and sloppy(it was a market, but I can't say it was super )but now, it was clean and really professional looking. I ran into this guy, but I decided that it wasn't worth it to do anything, so I mentally forgave him, and asked God to help him out. as I was going through the store searching for this one item(I don't quite know what it was, but I think it was a red rose, for a friend of mine)I saw a cop/security guard. He was armed, and had handcuffs, etc, etc. well, as I was searching, I kept running into people that needed help, I don't quite recall the first two incidents(there was three)but everytime I helped someone out, the cop would handcuff me, and as he would start to take me away, the person would explain that I was helping out. the last person I helped was a man that didn't have enough money to pay for his groceries, so he muttered to himself something like "damn, only a dime and a penny more", so I said, "a dime and a penny?" he said "a dime and a penny" so I pulled out a dime and a penny and told him "a dime and a penny" right after that, the cop handcuffed me, and was almost happy to have caught me stealing, but the guy explained to the cop that it was my money, and that I helped him out, so the cop, rather disappointed let me go. I woke up right after that, so I didn't find what I searched for.

second:I was in the military, and it was the future, and I was with a team of guards...and we were guarding something of extreme value(not gold, real value, like scientific discoveries, etc, etc)we were in a train, that had double tracks, and were joined at the sides, so it was something of a double car train, wierd...anyhow, we were there guarding this thing...when aliens started attacking us(aliens, like aliens from the movie aliens)we were defending ourselfs, watching out for them...when then, everyone started dying, some guy(who wasn't one of ours)showed up and started killing all of us, and the aliens too, when I found everyone dead, I ran into him, but he was on the ground, crawling, so I aimed my gun at his head, ready to shoot, when instantly he grabbed a handgun and shot me real fast, I shot him right away, and he died, but I was on the ground dying now...laughing maniacally at him, because I had triumphed over the sniper(thats what I called him, it meant the equivalent of master in my dream)as I was dying...I started getting visions into who he was...he was a genetically engineered human. his body was developed in a big glass tube, his bones made of metal...everything, I managed to see how he was made. His brain was something of a creature without the body(sorta like a human is able to live without a car, etc, and the car is nothing without the human...but put em toghether...)
it was nuts to say the least

the first dream I think is something of a message to the way it was for me when I was in school, in the early days, I used to alwasys help people out, and never quite get to my work because of it...ever since 10th grade in high school, I became a big time loner, and refused to help anyone...but got my studies done, but in the end, I ended up being lazy.

the second one...I don't even know

HOLY S--T!!!...I was looking at my drivers lisence picture, and it just hit me that the "sniper" that I killed was in fact me.

As for the first dream: ask yourself, how is it that I might be "stealing" from people when I help them?
hint: I would tell you right off what I'm thinking, but I want you to figure it out for your own self.
And as it seems you've already caught on to...of course when you spend more time doing things for other people than you do for yourself, you wind up stealing from your own self too.

That last thing you said about the second dream reminded me of The Empire Strikes Back...you know the part where Luke goes into the cave to fight Darth Vader...and when he pulls the helmet off he sees his own face inside...

I've got to think some more about all your dreams...I'm fascinated by them.

Much love to ya sweetie

The first one...I might would be stealing the experience of knowing what to do when there is no help around...

the second one...yeah, sort of like that...except his(my)face was uncovered the whole time...but I knew him as someone else...a master that was there to clean out the place...and he accomplished his mission, but it cost him his life because I was there...hmmmm

thanks for the love

Esecasco, I hope I'm not intruding but I have to say that the first impression I got when I looked at the symbols you typed was of the Ankh, the Egyptian emblem of life.

Australdi

Would you mind doing a lexigram for my name?

Also my first impression upon reading your post regarding the images you received from Esecasco was of a past life.

isn't the ankh a sort of cross with a circle for the top portion?

no, this symbol is different...

Thinkearth;
I am more than happy to do it (It does take me a while though)...but after reading Susan222 & Shanya's posts are you sure you're asking the right person?? These girls are awsome!!, and I am but a bug

Like I said though, I'm happy to attempt it...which name?