Calling esteemed astrologers:

Do marriages, business partnerships, contracts, etc., have natal charts? For example, my husband and I were married when the sun was in Taurus (and the all the other planets were who-knows-where). Would our relationship have a different flavor if we had married when the sun was in, say, Leo or Libra? What could an astrologer tell someone about her/his marriage or business merger based on when it took place?

Thanks!

KJS

The answer to your question is ABSOLUTELY----marriages, events, etc. have natal charts and are greatly influenced by the planetary aspects therein. As Carl Jung said, whatever is done or born in a moment of time has the qualities of that moment in time. A marriage taking place under the sign of Taurus, should, on the face of it, give you stability. However, all aspects must be considered for a true delineation of the chart.

Love
Firesong

Thank you, Firesong! Stability ain't such a bad thing in marriage. I'll take it!

KJS

Hi KJS,
Very good question!!! I have often wondered that myself.
Thank you Firesong for confirming that. In order to cast such a chart would you need to have the time that such an event took place in order to cast an accurate chart? (I personally do not remember the exact time that I got married, I just know that it was in the evening hours)
I would appreciate any input here

What an amazing idea for a business!! To calculate auspicious wedding times and places, I smell a fortune!!!!!!

This is a very intriguing facet of Astrology indeed!

Since I'm the chairman of a large convention being held each year here in Norway, it is quite interesting to know when one should plan to hold it!

The only question is what event/circumstance the "time of birth" is for an entity??? We already constituted this years committee for the convention, so should the time of our first meeting be the birht time, or should I use the moment the convention opens (the opening ceremony)?

This is also a great question in regards to countries. I'm a Norwegian, and Linda and several other Astrologers say that Norway is a Scorpio, but I've always felt this was a bit wrong. After all I've read about Scorpios I'd definitely say that the average Norwegian does not fit that description, nor the country as a whole.

We have two dates (possibly three) that might acount for our astrological birth time. First we have the founding of the Norwegian constitution which was passed on May 17th 1814 at Eidsvoll right outside Oslo (May 17th is also our nantional holiday). Secondly we have the break with Sweden in 1905. Since 1814 Norway was forced into a "Union" with Sweden which was a result of the Napoleonic wars. Even though we got our own constitution we were still under the authority of the Swedish King. However, in 1905 we had a referendum held on June 7th where something like 99,98 % voted for independence. In the same referendum we also voted to keep the country a monarchy instead of a republic. However, the new King was first installed in november that same year (possibly what Linda and others was basing this on astrologically).

If we go by the founding of the constitution, we are a Taurus. If we go by the referendum on independence, we are a Gemini. And if we go by the installation of the new King we become a Scorpio.

In my personal opinion though, I'd say a taurus is a good bet. There's a very traditional and agrarian spirit in this country. And also, change comes very slowly and in short steps, and we have a HUGE beurocracy and a large and very controlling government. Socialism is also popular.

But I don't know for sure. What do you think folks?

- Crabbie

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Hi Karen

Yes, you would need the exact time of an event to accurately calculate the event chart.

In response to Crabbie, the moment an event is set in motion is, in my opinion, the correct time to use; thus, the founding of your constitution on May 17th would be more accurate than the other two dates you listed------anyone else have an opinion on this??

Firesong.....I hear what you're saying and I tend to agree but then wouldn't that raise the question.......should we not base ourselves on the day we were born but the day we were conceived???? Saying that I'm definately a virgo....and I guess it would be rather hard to work out when one was conceived!! Just a thought to mix up the pot
Love and Laughter,
Kelly-Anne

Well, we're in deep philosophical waters here, aren't we? Because everything has its antecedents: as you say, Kelly-Anne, we were conceived before we were born ... a nation existed in the minds of its patriots before its constitution was drafted and signed ... and a convention is planned before its opening ceremony.

I'd say the general rule is that anything is "born" in the astrological sense when it first manifests as a fully-formed independent entity. For an individual, this would be the time of birth, for a country this would be the signing of the documents that gave it formal existence, for a convention it would be the opening time.

In HORARY astrology, however (which is the science of answering a question about something by casting and interpreting a chart), the crucial date and time is not the thing you are asking the question about, but the time the question itself was "born" fully formed in your mind.

So, for example, if you wanted to pick the best date and time for your convention, you would erect charts for the different possible dates you are considering, and choose the one that is most favorably aspected. But if you wanted to decide whether the theme of your convention should be, say, scuba diving or rock collecting, you would compose the question clearly in your mind, write it down, and cast a chart for the date and time you posed the question -- and look at whether that chart showed more beneficial influences on things having to do with water sports or geology!

Just thought I'd stir up the muddy water a bit .

Hi Kelly-Anne

I knew the moment I posted my response that the question of conception versus birth would come up; therefore, as Ann Landers would say, GET OUT THE WET NOODLE! I do go with the actual moment of birth, but for several years have been in a quandary about the timing of location charts or event charts, although I do use the time a place was founded (if that info is available); otherwise, I'd use the incorporation date. I'd like to hear other opinions on this matter of timing events.

Love
Firesong

On a roll now ... yet another approach to planning future events, if your are dealing with an entity that already has a "birth" chart, is to look at the future transits to that chart. Thus if you know the time and date that the organization sponsoring your convention was founded, you could look at the positions of the planets on the possible convention dates in relation to that chart. Picking a date when the Sun is trine to your organization's Jupiter, for example, would likely be a successful time -- while one where Mercury is squaring your organization's Mars would probably lead to a convention with lots of squabbles and misunderstandings among attendees.

Crossed posts, dear .

Great idea KJS!!

love
shagun.

Thank you, Greg and Firesong (you are BOTH dears ), for providing some very helpful information. I'm not that advanced in my astrological training, but I'm happy to know I'll be in such great company when I finally get there!

Kelly-Anne, interesting question from an interesting Virgo! I recall that Linda believed a baby's first breath set its horoscope, which makes sense to me. In utero, the child would simply be a physical extension of its mother and not yet a self-contained being with its own horoscope.

Nice to hear from you, Shagun! You'll have to e me again some time.

KJS

Hi everyone! And thanks to Gregory for an excellent and enlightening answer to my question about charts for entities

The convention we are organizing is actually a science fiction con called ShadowCon (it's not that dark, it's just a name inspired by a great SF epic called Babylon 5).

So, we plan to hold our con this year in Oslo, August 12 to 15. The opening ceremony will be held around 5pm (probably 5:30 if things are delayed as usual). But the date isn't set, we actually have several dates to choose from, however this is the one I am most in favor of. The other dates we're considering are: July 15-18, July 22-25 and July 29-August 1. Does anyone know which of these dates would be most beneficial?

Our organisation is called TSP (The Shadow Project) and was founded in Oslo Norway this november (it had existed as an ad-hoc organisation for about two years until the formal meeting though). The date of the constitutional assembly for TSP was November 28, and the meeting lasted from about 11am to 1pm. The by-laws were passed around twelve, twelve-thirty.

The reason I ask is because this year is a very important year for us as an entity. This is the 4th ShadowCon in about 3 years time, and also the most important one. We were founded as a con mostly on the basis of a tv-series called Babylon 5, but that series is now over, and we have to find a new direction and new ideas. We've gone from being a small convention early on to become the biggest SF convention in Norway, and that position creates some apprehension, especially concerning the budget and most importantly the attendance. Last year we had over 500 people, and we need around that many this year to make thing go even. We're also in the process of securing a guest from the new Star Wars movie, which is also a major expense. In addition we are using a new computer-based registration system for attendees this year, and it's vital that it founctions well! Last year it went down and some had to wait in queu for up to three hours (!) before we could start checking people in. Sounds very much like a nasty mercury retro thingie to me..

Anyway, all help for this is very much appreciated! Especially since my rear end is very much on the line in this as committee chairperson and head of administration!

- Crabbie

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Crabbie,
Just thought you might like to know that the music to Babylon 5 was composed by Christopher Franke, an extremely talented artist, who is currently working on a CD for 'Linda Goodman's Enterprises' to accompany the Relationship Signs book recently released....this obviously will be available through the site when it is finished. Crystal is very good friends with Christopher and we are delighted he has been able to participate in this great project.
Just thought you'd be interested in that......slight coincidence???!!
Love and Laughter,
Kelly-Anne

Hi Kelly-Anne!

Wow! This is indeed a wonderful coincidence!!! I love mr. Franke's music, I have several of his soundtracks from Babylon 5. Some of my favourites are the music from the final episode of the series "sleeping in light" and the theme from an episode called "face of the enemy."

Hey, I just got an interesting idea! If there's any Babylon 5 fans out there, which sign do you think some of the main characters in B5 were? I think Londo seems a lot like a Scorpio or maybe a Taurus. Any ideas?

- Crabbie

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Oh Crabbie,
If you appreciate Mr Franke's work, which is sooo easy to do, then you would love the CD he sent to Crystal at Christmas.....It accompanied a book called 'The Merlin Mystery'....this book is one of those mysteries of the hidden treasure, you know solve the rhymes and clues and you will be lead to the gold!!! The musical CD is just awesome, so magical, mystical, haunting, quite exquisite.....the sort of music you can meditate to, you know what I mean.
I am soooooooo excited to hear the Relationship Signs CD I just know it's going to be magnificent.......just another little project being worked on

Now back to Babylon 5.......I'm sorry to admit that I haven't really watched it much, so I can't really comment on the star signs of the crew but that's because I've been watching Star Trek on the other channel!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now, Spock, who Linda refers to when talking of Vulcan is definitely the overstated, over exaggerated, VIRGO!!!(I have to say 'over'because I refuse to believe I'm anything like that......being one myself )
Captain Kirk.......Leo, must be, proud, arrogant even when facing danger, but most loyal to his friends.....and he has that Leo way with the women!!!!
What do you reckon on Scottie.....'Sag'
Dr McCoy......'Scorpio' he's pretty intense, hmmmmm! Someone else take over......I'm not REALLY that much of a Trekkie

Love and Laughter,
Kelly-Anne