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#81321 - 02/28/99 07:18 PM Charts for Historical People
Shekinah Offline
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Registered: 02/27/99
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Loc: Adelaide, Australia
I'm a historian with a growing interest in astrology (Sun in Leo, Libra Rising, Cancer Moon). Twice in recent years, I have tried to have charts run for King Robert I of Scotland (DOB 11 July 1274) - Robert The Bruce - with no great success. The first obstacle seems to be the loss of days when the calendar was adjusted in the 1500s. I'm not sure why, but it presents problems to the astrologer and not everyone is sure what to do about it. Then, when a chart was run, the result just didn't sit with me.

I have Nicholas Campion's book 'Born to Reign' but unfortunately he copies an error previously made by others and uses Robert's grandfather's place of birth at Writtle, near Chelmsford in Essex, rather than Turnberry in Ayrshire. I'm sure 500 miles south and several minutes east would make a difference.
Did Linda have anything to say about this aspect of astrology or can anyone offer advice with regard to doing charts for historical persons?


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#81322 - 03/01/99 06:11 PM Re: Charts for Historical People [Re: Shekinah]
Shekinah Offline
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Registered: 02/27/99
Posts: 3
Loc: Adelaide, Australia
About three years ago a friend ran a chart using Biosystems/Zodiac Signs and TOB midday. Libra is rising but I can't see to what degree. His moon is in Cancer at 6"15', Mercury 14"33' and Neptune 27"37' are in Leo; Venus, Mars and Nodes all in Cancer; Jupiter is Pisces R at 4"19; Pluto is Cap R at 5"50'.

A local astrologer ran another chart using Astrolabe Software, a true noon chart she wrote. For the life of me, I can't see the Rising sign. Moon in Libra at 15"15; Mercury in Leo at 22"48' and Neptune in Leo at 8"01'; Venus and Mars in Cancer; Jupiter in Pisces R at 0"53'; Saturn in Virgo at 26"26'; Uranus in Gemini at 11"51; Pluto in Capricorn R at 8"01.

Would it shed any light to do a chart for his death at Cardross, west of Glasgow on north shore of the Clyde, on 6 June, 1329? Or even a chart for Bannockburn 23/24 June 1314 - most of the fighting took place on the 24th.
Or his inauguration (this was in the old tradition - later kings were crowned and annointed) at Scone on Friday March 25, 1306, the old Lady Day and I think until the 1700s in Scotland the New Year. (You know how sometimes before the calendar changed you see dates given as 2 February 1258/9 with two years given? This was because the new year began in March so then February was still in 1258, and not as we would have it in 1259.) This was the day Isobel, countess of Buchan first crowned Robert, standing in lieu of her brother the earl of Fife who was in wardship in England. Anciently, the Fifes always placed the crown on the new king's head and Isobel ran away from her husband (who happened to be on the 'other' side) to do it. And on Palm Sunday, March 27, 1306, the revolutionary darling Archbishop Lamberton celebrated pontifical high mass for the new king where Isobel did the same again. So the old (Celtic) and new (Christian) traditions stood together in this endeavour.

I hadn't thought of Bruce as being Clintonesque, but now that you mention it ... John Barbour who wrote The Brus c.1375 wrote that Bruce always got a lot of information from ladies! And that in the attempted coup against him in 1320 the beans in that case were spilled by a lady. Now Barbour rarely mentions women in the whole of his long and lovely story, so to mention them in that context probably means the ladies were falling over themselves!! But then, power is the ultimate aphrodasiac (sp?) - did Henry Kissinger say that?


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