#83313 - 06/13/00 06:04 AM
A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
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Today I was at the doctors surgery and overheard the following conversation: Man/wife to friend "we are hoping to finally be able to have a baby soon but I just hope it's not an Aries I don't get on with them" Wife "Would you stop saying that" Man "But it's true" - laughs I thought to myself how sad. Based on either a few negative meetings with Ariens or surface astrology books, this man has decided subconsciously that if his baby is an Aries the relationship will not be the best it could be. Now, even if he doesn't believe that is in his mind when baby comes along....it is. It will temper his relationship building with her/him. It will be his excuse for normal child/adult confrontations/probems. Also, based on this observation he has, he has the bias to close the door, or not have the best relationship with potentially millions of people born under the sign of Aries (and any other he has bias about - he was very serious and his wife, quite rightly bothered by this obviously oft repeated remark). I wanted to say something so jokingly said laughing "Oh dear, I am an Aries. But you realise that Aries only show their defensive, abrupt side when they are insecure in a situation, therefore if you make baby Aries totally loved and secure, they will not need to use that ability so much". "Oh he said, I never knew that, I just hated them all" The buzzer went and I left the room, I only wanted him to think and he was thinking...he had used "hate" in past tense! I think that is where Linda Goodman comes in. Linda's books are easy to read, they carry so much more info than just pure astrology, which makes other people (who say it is nonsense) want to pick up and read too. For every standard "will/won't get on" she offers, ifs, buts, unless's and ways of how to get along through deeper and wider knowledge and understanding. And for each and every one there is a way forward. How many people did Linda realise subconsciously carry biased information which is to their detriment and to those of the people they come into contact with I wonder. I'm a novice on Linda by the way and happy to admit that but she comes across so clearly in her essence quickly. We are not trees, we can bend and open our eyes. A wonderful world would be when people see that for every negative thing they are about to say, they can say it in a postive way. And for everyone they meet, they have an open mind to the fact that people are wonderfully different, also they can change, do change and are growing not just physically in life. Every action we take towards others has an effect on that person. If we watch our words and actions, we reduce the bias and negativity felt out in the world. I think people who invest in this site are investing in the only thing worthwhile investing in right now as it impacts on everything else. A way to open peoples minds up, for them to rethink what they think and choose for themselves their beliefs and how one should act or behave towards others. To realise there is always a way forward and that lifes knocks are not yours alone, they are growth stages. I am sure, if Greg etc. OK'd it because they would need to be able to handle it, if each one on this site contacted say, 20 other similar sites and mentioned how lovely and friendly this site is - as well as knowledge available. It would bring more visitors. So many sites are not monitored, they are awful to some people who seek knowledge and obviously don't know much themselves. Look how thick I am on astrological technical data - but no-one has been nasty to me about it at all (and Dave has been Patient with a capital P - and produced the outcome I knew myself was right - dissonance - wonderful!). I think we could all spread the news to visit this site of openess and non-rigid beleifs if Greg, Dave and the rest could manage the traffic!!! So Greg and Co. If you ever need help advertising or anything, why not use the best people to advertise - the ones who can truly say they have used the site and found something worthwhile from it???? I reckon we would all pitch in and that there are probably loads of excellent ideas forming from other visitors - especially your long term regulars - on how to keep the site going right now as people read this.???? AriesC "There is not enough darkness in the world to hide the light of one single candle" ANON.
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#83314 - 06/13/00 08:27 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: AriesC]
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Dear AriesC,  Exceptionally and beautifully stated. Some of us have been commenting positively on other sites. And we have referred people to this warm and loving, supportive and nurturing environment, because it is one of the best places to learn and grow. It is the best place I know of on the internet. You mentioned trees and I would like you to know that as young saplings the ones that are not tied to stakes and are allowed to bend with the winds and rains etc. grow to be exceptionally strong. And so it is here, people who come in here with little or no knowledge about astrology and relationships, etc. are growing in knowledge and inner spiritual strength every day, with few exceptions. But the people who may be a little more knowledgable are growing here also and feeling very inspired by the interaction on this site. We are all learning from each other that it is not just the actions we take and reactions we have in life to each other, but also inactions that can have an effect as well. I can also tell you a little story that made me somewhat disappointed. I knew a doctor who once told me that he believed in astrology. He had only read one of Linda's books. And he said he hoped that his grandchild, who was about to be born, would not be born on his ex-spouse's birthday, because he disliked her so much due to extremely bad experiences. This showed the same kind of blind ignorance that some others have about sun signs. They may be otherwise educated and even kind and compassionate. But then, because of maybe one bad experience with someone who has a particular sun sign, want to disregard the value of anyone else with the same sign or birthdate. His grandchild was born ten days after the ex-spouse's birthdate. In this case, I tried to get him to read more of Linda's writings, but he did not want to do this. I wish I could have convinced him in the articulate way you did, with the person you met, AriesC. The one thing I am going to do is send him Linda's Relationship Signs book, because he will be able to see just how many combinations enter into a relationship of any type. And that if he really wants to know about people, he needs to look much deeper. I know he would be much happier if he does this. As it is, he is (like the man you mentioned) cutting himself off from getting to know a whole group of people, just because of a bad experience. Here, on Linda Goodman's site, we are getting to know each person in a very positive environment and can give and take and share many experiences that lead to inner growth. You are so right that more people need to know about this site. I wonder how many members are registered here right now. It seems to be growing in love and knowledge and spirit all the time.  Swimming Into the Light, Dolphin2
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#83315 - 06/13/00 02:47 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: DaleLouise]
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Thank you so much for that message Dolphin2 - Sometimes you do wonder how you will be accepted into a world like on this site when everyone seems to know everyone else very well and you can read the fondness and banter (like peeking through a window!). It has been so welcoming and when you really feel free to say what you want to say, that truly is an inspiring place to get to know knew people and share. Thanks again Dolphin2 AriesC "When this ram keeps butting that dam it is because she has "High Hopes" that the dam will burst and light will shine through the gaping hole so everyone can see the other side of everything" - Friend of mine (whose a bit nuts but I love her!).
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#83316 - 06/13/00 09:02 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: AriesC]
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#83317 - 06/14/00 01:37 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: Nephthys]
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Hi Nephthys, Yes and you mention race too. I had an eye opening experience in the USA some years back now. I worked with lots of US citizens who were setting up a co. over here and eventually went back with them for 3 week holiday and to go the HQ for 2 week. Had an absolutely superb time except for one incident which I couldn't believe. These people I worked with were the nicest, upstanding, great sense of humour people but... We were all out at a bar one night and as I came back in from the ladies room, I dawdled back to where we were all seated because the band was playing a great number there. On the way, this "other race" person looked at me, so I immediately smiled at him. I commented how good the band was and he asked where I was from. So we chatted for a few minutes till I noticed looks from my group of "nice people friends". When I got back to my table I was told in no uncertain terms that "you do not speak to them, it can cause trouble and you just don't do that". OK, Aries to the fore here. "Really" I said. "In Scotland, we do not have such cut and dried opinions, we are proud to have our own (there are some but not en masse like this was)". So I went back to the guy (because I then realised he hadn't been too relaxed actually when I yattered away to him), and explained that I realised that in US these things still happened to that extent, but it was not a problem for me. We then had a lovely talk. I said to my group "one thing that annoys me is that when they are your superstars, or sports heros you don't mind their race or colour and I find that a tad hypocrytical to say the least. You treat those ones like royalty!". I was chuffed to show them another side to things and to show the guy the entire world was not the same, but disappointed at that situation. PLEASE DON'T SHOUT AT ME ANYONE - I know this could be taken as a wee bit controversial. It was my only experience like that on the many visits I have had over there and just my opinion that people are people are people (and my caucasian fellow men & women are far from perfect too - nice ones and not so nice ones just like anywhere else!). AriesC
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#83319 - 06/14/00 08:47 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: Pisces]
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AriesC, I'm a little confused what HQ is, and I'm not sure if you meant that people from the USA were the ones at the bar who whispered to you not to talk to the "other race"? Well, I'm curious where those USA people were from (in the USA), as, I live in California, and people here are NOT like that. We have all kinds of races here, and people here "mix" with other races, are friends with other races, date and marry other races. It's no big deal at all! So, I'm curious where those people were from. Please don't think all USA people are like that; USA is a big country!!!  ~Nephthys
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#83320 - 06/14/00 11:33 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: Nephthys]
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Hi Pisces and Nephthys Nephthys - sorry, please note, I have been to the USA many times (never Calafornia side yet though!) and never had that experience again. That was in Connecticut years back and I used it only in response to previous post as most obvious example of some people trying to impose their bias on me - and it was the general rule in that place at that time - yet only in mid 80's! I didn't like it and I know that these people I knew changed after that - they were truly great folk, just hadn't realised how they hadn't "chosen" to think like that but had "followed" others. And how others should be free to make up their own mind!!! I love the States and if someone could find me a wee hoose, a wee job, me and my kids would be right over - they are forever on about USA because of all they see on the TV here!! I like it because of the weather AND the people and opps! They are so welcoming you almost hope they don't pay a return visit because you could NEVER do the welcome bit as well as them. The only thing I find weird but understandable is when in the shops the shop assistants ask you just to "say something" just to hear you speak)...LOL... I can never think what to say on demand like that and I guess you don't get too many broad Scottish dialect programmes on TV there! I was in Houston year before last and I discovered there is a way of saying Hi yall to more than one person. It's Hi yall yall - I LOVED THAT and told everyone back home. Ace! AriesC
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#83321 - 06/15/00 01:11 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: AriesC]
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Dear AriesC and Nepthys,  I love what you are discussing, because it brings up one of the things that I think is so embarrassing about the USA. The prejudice, not just about race, but age, gender, weight, money and status and, as AriesC pointed out at the beginning, Sun Signs. There are way too many things that are not completely accepted and understood about people. I have always found it interesting to find out what we have in common and to learn all of the differences as well. And Nepthys, I am a native Californian and even in this 21st century there is prejudice in some places here, but it is handled differently than in the south and east and midwest and in some ways it is much more cruel, because it is not done in the open. This has been told to me by people who have experienced it and I have observed it continuing in recent years. AriesC, I applaud you for the way you handled the situation you described. I thought it funny that people would ask you to say something to hear you speak. I was raised by a Scots grandmother, so it is natural for me to hear the brogue. But I do have some difficulty in reading the Scots expressions, because I never saw the words in writing. So I have a little book called "The Auld Scots Tongue" that I look things up in when you and Tinkerbell are writing. Not all the words are there, though. Like chuffed is not in there. And did you not find the Connecticut pronunciation quite different? My Scots grandmother died when I was four years old and my German grandfather married my stepgrandmother from Connecticut. Her pronunciation of words was so different than I was used to, living in California. Perhaps all those different languages and accents in my formative years, is why I enjoy meeting people from everywhere in the world, no matter what their Sun Sign! LOL Love to allONE,  Dolphin2
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#83322 - 06/14/00 03:14 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: DaleLouise]
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Dolphin2..... I have to state that your post was the end to an almost perfect day... I laughed and laughed when I read you had a book to understand our language. I have seen those books, and I have difficulty understanding the words or recognising the expression because the dialects can be so different even 20 miles away!! But I never admitted it to anyone! I thought, I should know what this means! It is great to finally be able to say - half of our language I don't understand either but by God it is beautiful to hear it (like French - don't understand it but it is mmmmm mmmmm mmmmm!). Chuffed = extremely, proudly pleased and happy with with oneself (at least where I am it does - it could mean something different 2 miles away!! Love to you all. AriesC (still laughing....)
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#83323 - 06/14/00 03:19 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: AriesC]
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PS: Forgot to answer.... Yes I did find Connecticut pronounciation not the easiest to understand. Texas was a total hoot - I spent most the time saying "Duh?". They speak so slowly, I was almost in a trance at the end of the day. But I visited in June and it was hot, hot, hot - even I slowed right down! You just reminded me, one of the most beautiful places I ever visited (so far) in the world is Vermont in the Autumn. Wonderful. I also remembered my mum has aunts and cousins in the USA - perhaps if I trace some distant (younger!) relatives I will visit there too one day. Never been to that coast at all. My gran and grandad though, visited USA every two years and say Grand Canyon, California (visiting relatives etc.) and lots of places, so when I was wee, I got presents and photographs and stories and books of all the places they have been. Perhaps, perhaps, perhaps, California is calling!! AriesC
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#83324 - 06/14/00 08:07 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: AriesC]
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Hi AriesC,  You are cute and you make me laugh, too. Partly at myself. Here I have lived in the USA for many many years, but even though I have been to Saskatchewan and Ontario, Canada and lived one year in Yuma, Arizona - I have never been to Connecticut, Vermont, Texas or the Grand Canyon. I am thinking it is time I started travelling. My family has been to Vermont and they say it is wonderful in the autumn with all the leaves turning colors. I enjoy your posts. With Love,  Dolphin2 Oh and by the way, my grandmum called me her precious wee bairn. She said so many other things, but I can't remember the words, only the sound, like you said. I also have an affinity for French - love the sound and the words. It is interesting, isn't it, that language can vary so much from village to village? Before television, it was much that way in this country, too, as large as it is. Television has sort of standardized the American language more.
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#83325 - 06/14/00 10:37 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: DaleLouise]
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Hi AriesC and DaleLouise, Yeah, I know, I am not completely immune to people being prejudiced. I was kind of speaking generally, here. Like, people in my life are all races. I do realize that different parts of the USA are prejudiced. Isn't it so sad? Like, I watched the Real World New Orleans last night, and a girl on there, is Mormon, (I forget where she is from), and she was raised very sheltered and strict, by her parents and her town and religion, I think. I think she has a problem with other races. She seems very sheltered and kind of in a closet. It is really sad. (Now, no one get offensive of what I just wrote! I just wrote what I watched on TV, okay?) Peace  ~Nephthys 
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#83326 - 06/15/00 01:12 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: Nephthys]
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Oooops Nephthys....forgot to answer one Q of yours... HQ = Head Quarters (Head Office)! AriesC
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#83327 - 06/15/00 03:15 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: AriesC]
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Oh, my, don't get me started about prejudice and stereotypes...and accents... A while back I was emailing someone pretty regularly...we hit it off and became good friends, and decided we wanted to speak on the phone...I had told her I live in Georgia, and I don't know what she expected me to sound like...but from the moment I said hello, she could not get over my accent...I mean, every time I spoke, she had to comment on it, and it wasn't in a very nice way, either, more like in a very disapproving way...she didn't openly insult me, but she kept saying things like, "hmmmnn...I can't believe you sound like this...I mean, from the kinds of things you say in your emails...I don't know, I thought you would have sounded more...um..."---Intelligent, is what I know she wanted to say, but she didn't have the balls...It hurt my feelings so bad  ...I am really touchy about things like that...needless to say, we did not continue to email each other for long...and it is so pathetic when people can't see past their own prejudices and look at the real person...no one ever "fits" a stereotype, all people are way too complex for that...so many people automatically assume that a person with a southern accent is stupid, ignorant, bigoted, and poor...and so many try to hide their accents to avoid being stereotyped that way...and I can't blame them for it, but it only makes matters worse, because it only perpetuates the feeling that an accent is something to be ashamed of---which it is NOT. I refuse to pretend to be something I am not....and if a person can't see past something so trivial, who needs them? It is their loss! Sorry ----I just had to vent about that
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#83328 - 06/15/00 05:38 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
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If it helps you let go Daisygoogoo and that's it all done now, you can start to subtly teach others and perhaps not get so angry if you realise... Just remember that everyone is a product of their learned behaviour (unless they know how to not be) and that comes from other people they hold up high in their younger lives for the most part. This person's opinion was not directed at YOU as a person, but formed from other things about other people and a generalisation, bias or whatever but NOT because of you, because you did nothing to put that bias into their mind. Remember that and you can distance yourself from it and not take it so personally. I am positive that the reason interviews impressions are decided on the first 15 minutes of walking in the room is because we all have little filing cabinets and certain people make us remember certain things. It is knowing about that that makes it less likely to "drive" us to previously formed opinions and behaviour. Next time you feel someone is getting the wrong impression....jump in and say something, "jokingly" along the lines of .. "please don't tell me you are one of those people who think my Southern drawl means I'm dumnb (like blondes bias) or are you one of those who thinks it is extremely sexy!!" and laugh. Laugh at the absurdity of what they are intimating YOURSELF! Or something less obvious but you get the point. Point out what they are about to do first!! If they were thinking the worst, that will stop them in there tracks and get them thinking "were they really forming that opinion of you">>>>>!!!!!!>>>>>> take people forwards! Personally, I think Southern is ace, so laid back. Also, I want to visit New Orleans some day and places like that - for the blues, the food, the atmosphere and the people! My son wants to go to San Fransico because he can't get over the streets there when watching care chases etc. I tell him, we wil walk down one one day, but not back up! My daugher wants to rollerblade in Calafornia, in the sun, meeting and talking to all the people doing their thing around there! AriesC
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#83329 - 06/15/00 04:34 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: AriesC]
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Hi everybody, I live in a rich, mostly white suburb and their is sooo much prejudice here. I know this one girl here, shes from Peru, she pretends not to know Spanish that well just so she can fit in. How stupid is that! Ive heard her speak fluent, really fast Spanish with her parents, and here she is acting like she doesnt know anything! People here are so judgemental(SP?????). You get made fun of if you dont wear certain clothes, and if you talk about Linda Goodman stuff, most people look at you like youre a freak. I had friends who thought I was pretty much ignorant for not being Christian! I didnt hang with them for long! I can just vent for hours on this subject!! Neha
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#83330 - 06/15/00 08:16 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: Neha]
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Neha, Are you in high school? If so, that is so sad that kids are like that......... ~N. 
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#83331 - 06/15/00 11:14 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: Nephthys]
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AriesC, BINGO!! I like you!! Southern IS ace! people ARE laid back. i lived in louisiana for the past 17 years...I just moved to california about a month ago. my heart will forever be in the south. i really should be studying right now for finals, so I'll just sum it up: They KNOW HOW TO ENJOY LIFE. That's it. over here in california, people are so caught up in Money and cars and careers and money and money and money. it gets old after a while. funny thing is, I actually wanted to come to cali B/C of the ambitiousness. southerners are very laid back. they just like to have a good time with their family and friends. true, it's extremely prejudiced and racist over there (and i mean EXTREMELY), but if you can handle that part of it, then you will love the south. honestly, the people over there will be among the friendliest people you will ever meet in your entire life. really! a friend of mine here in cali told me that she went to new orleans 2 years ago, and she was EMBARASSED at how nice and polite people were being to her. she said they opened doors, etc etc etc. It's true! and new orleans? oh honey....don't get me started. I miss it already. so, like i said before, if you can tolerate the narrow-mindedness and racism, you will like the south. you'll like how your neighbors mow your lawn just to be nice, or how there's a neighborhood party every other week. and also, I think that for the most part, you need to fit a certain mold to really fit in down there. yes, it's a pretty conservative place. it helps to be white, good looking, drive a SUV, and live in a house with a white picket fence. man, i am seriously procrastinating my studying.....probably have to stay up all night again.... oh jeeeeeeezzzz best wishes, lioness
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#83332 - 06/15/00 11:16 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: Lioness]
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oh, and your son wants to live in san francisco? Three words: Is he rich? ;-)
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#83333 - 06/16/00 01:33 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: Lioness]
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AriesC: I understand what you are saying but that approach does not work for me. Of course a person's prejudice has nothing to do with me personally---that's precisely why it is offensive! And it is hard not to take it personally, because anything that is a comment on your physical being and/or personality is a PERSONAL comment...It is really a matter of poor etiquette...this person had very ill manners and never had the common sense to realize it... In that particular situation, I handled it pretty calmly....right after it happened I flipped open a magazine, the first thing I looked at was this: "...being hard to classify doesn't win you a lot of friends. It forces people to rethink the way they categorize the world, which is a lot of work." I quoted that to her and joked that I was just making a lot of work for her, because I was forcing her to give up her fixed ideas about Southerners... So I did try to make light of it, and I totally understood that it was her problem, not mine...but it still hurt my feelings...and the thing is, she never understood that she was being rude, because I didn't come right out and take offense...and I was totally dishonest with her, to not tell her she was out of line, because I really felt that she was...we talked abou the situation quite a lot in our emails afterwards (we never spoke on the phone again, as I felt I could not open my mouth at all without having her start up again), discussing various things about stereotypes and the like, and in time I realized that she did not think that she had any prejudices at all! I tried to tell her very gently that maybe she had some prejudiced ideas about Southerners, because of the strong non-complimentary reaction she had to my accent on the phone...and she replied with, what reaction?, and then got very defensive and angry about it...so she knew I had her on it, but she couldn't admit to herself that she really acted that way, I guess because it didn't fit in with her self-image...at that point I said, Enough! I can't communicate with someone who can't even communicate with her own self. It was an altogether bizarre situation, because this person was from Texas herself...and I don't know, I have always thought Texan was a really Southern state...so it shouldn't have been that much of a culture shock for her! Basically, people are going to think what they want to about other people...if a person wants to make generalizations and assumptions about others, they will always find a way to do it...knock down one stereotype and they will find another to put you in...I am not talking about people who haven't been exposed to a lot of different cultures...I am talking here about people who are just plain narrowminded...I don't think it is up to me to teach them...It is none of my business what people think. It becomes my business when they start saying it to me, though...and I don't want to listen to it! And there is no reason whyI should have to...so the way I distance myself from it is to say, I don't like your attitude, please keep it to yourself or else let's just don't talk anymore...which I have every right to say if I am being insulted! I agree, though, Southerners are pretty laid back, generally speaking...but not all of them are polite and neighborly like people assume...LOL I don't know anybody who mows other people's lawns just to be nice...can you introduce me? And neighborhood parties...never heard of them...Most Southerners are nice on the surface---sometimes it is genuine, but sometimes it is just an act to conceal pure viciousness...and if you didn't grow up around it, you would never know it, you might never see through it...but for the most part, southerners are very friendly people...just not in my neighborhood! 
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#83334 - 06/16/00 02:07 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
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Hi all, Emmm, I think perhaps I have started something that might run away and didn't want to do that so apologies for getting everyone or anyone realising the "bad" out there.... but thanks for all the encouragement to see the good!! There will be people we meet we like and people we meet we don't and the only thing I feel I can do about prejudice (I get it too!!) is say something to get them to think then leave it. It is the persons choice to be caught up in bias and ill-feeling or to do what we should all do (in my humble opinion), choose who we want in our lives full stop. But I never get hurt when I come across bias and comments about me, I just think "well that shows how much they know about me then!. Leave it and decide until that person changes, fine, don't be part of my life I wouldn't and couldn't force you to like me or want to listen to me. But I never let it get to me now. I used to, I used to get so fired up about anything unfair but as I learned more about how we work as humans based on learned information, to find the real person to blame or get mad at, you would have to go back a long way and know a lot of the influences in that person's life, and the influences on that inlfential peson's life - makes it kind of make you not want to bother!! Basically if one kids is born into a family and all it hears is that such and such type of people are awful, nasty, stupid, bad, whatever, that kid grows up totally believing that for themselves and will react in adulthood as if they really found it out for themselves. The kid who hears that people are people and should only be judged (if judged?) on their behaviour towards you and live and let live messages will grow up and not take people at face value. Neither of these kids are to blame for their reactions when older. But as the world begins to find out stuff like I was fortunate enough to learn, you can live with no anger (and still not condoning many many actions of people) and that is a much nicer way for me be now speaking personally. There are exceptions to the rule, kids who have natural blockage to beliefs from others and who immediately, instinctively know not to take the words of all and sundry and make them their own and question things for themselves. Those are the people, like on this site, who take the world forward. There are many of them, but still too many living a life with ideas and assumptions and opinions that actually aren't theirs at all!! So the person who has been treated bad by 20 people of a certain race, will have defensive behaviour to the next one they meet of that race or type of peson. But the big hearted person will live in hope of meeting a nice one and always try to remain open to the possibility. We have wonderful things called Scotomas in our brains which choose what to let us see and what not to based on information we send (useful in accidents so people don't remember). The person who has decided Southerners or anybody are this or that, won't be able to see other than confirmation of their opinions. Understand that, and again, no blame. A poor message or experience is driving them. There is good and bad in each individual, good and bad in each race, good and bad parents, good and bad in people generally. Generalisations are the downfall of society. And even now I still catch myself doing them because for 20 odd years, I didn't know this either but I do try and catch myself and check where my opinion is coming from. If it is not coming from me based on the current situation or person, I check for more information to show itself to me. I didn't want to start a class or race argument here. The fact is our views are our views but I would ask you base each opinion on each moment, experience, person, in the current time, not based on what you have "learned" to date. You will be surprised how what you will see will change! For those of you who have decided you only ever see evidence of one thing in any type of person, situation. Tell yourself you are going to be able from now on to see more good - than watch what information you start to gather. There may not be neighbours in your area who mows your lawn for you (mine never have!!), but they may show other little acts of kindness to others if not to you - if that is their standard for being neighbourly, but not yours, it is doesn't matter. Tell yourself you are going to notice more positive things about people and places etc. You will. It's fact, it works and it's life-enhancing. For those horrid things you see or people you meet, say "well perhaps one day soon, they will also become more aware as I have" and leave it at that..... OR COMPLETELY IGNORE MY ADVICE ALTOGETHER - I WON'T TAKE OFFENCE !!!! (smile) AriesC "When The Teacher Is Ready The Pupil Will Appear" - This is not necessarily a mystical observation all the time - our wonderful scotoma system lets in new information when we tell ourselves we are ready to see different things. Losing your car keys in a panic, then finding them under your nose when you give up panicking or decide calmly you can find them is a perfect example of scotoma's working correctly!!! If you have told yourself you can't find your keys, you would look insane if you found them, so you brain puts up a little scotoma. Brain doesn't know difference between good or bad messages for you, just does what it's told by you as best for you. (Going to a party and decided it's going to be crap - yep - you will "see/notice" everything wrong at the party and IT WILL BE crap - then we congratulate ourselves for being right!!!). This is a very brief explanation but perhaps some of you will get the gist of it right away. I shouldn't teach my subject on this forum, I might get asked to leave and would miss all the wonderful knowledge I am learning!! It's like signs - give yourself a sign to see - and you will see it all over the place. The Powers That Be Ones are easily distinguished then from the ones your brain is showing you because you told it to!!! That helps you become more sure and aware of true, powerful signs, sent by something higher than us, in your life.
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#83335 - 06/16/00 02:41 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
[Re: AriesC]
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AriesC: I am not trying to argue with you, don't worry...I just wanted to talk about the experience I had, because I found it very strange...I would love to be able to overlook all rudeness and insults, and never take anything personally, but alas,  I am only human!
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#83336 - 06/16/00 04:36 AM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
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Oh I realised that Daisygoogoo and I think a lot of good comes out of these discussions too for our futures.(except I want to travel everywhere now!!) Lots of luv AriesC
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#83337 - 06/24/00 10:45 PM
Re: A sad conversation v Linda & Co's message to keep going
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Hi KnOwflakes!! Daisygoogoo-- My brother -in-law will mow your lawn for you anytime you need help. He also has a knack for showing up after snowstorms and plowing you out.  I think he just likes playing with his toys but he's there. Being from Michigan as a child I thought racism was reserved for the south. As I grew up I was so suprised to discover that it was everywhere including my own backyard. I ended a 15 year friendship after she moved to Florida. When we talked--I asked her how she liked it down there and she said it was great that the n-------- knew their place. I will never forget the shock I felt. How could I be so close with someone and not know she was racist? I never talked to her again. I never will. Reading this thread reminded me of another experience as well. There is this man who I know from our business. He always used to tell me racist or religious jokes. You know--the kind of person who builds himself up by stomping other people down. Anyway I had finally had enough---he knew these jokes made uncomfortable and he was taking advantage of the business/client relationship. I blew up-----on of those blows no one sees coming but me--- I demanded to know "what" he was----he said "I'm an American"---I said every American is from someplace else--now where are YOUR people from? He said Dutch--we're Dutch. I said 'then when you're around me you can only tell Dutch jokes!' He doesn't tell me any jokes anymore---and thats just fine with me. I have never ceased to be amazed that people cannot see the simple TRUTH. We are all different colors/religion/astrological signs/wealths/lifestyles etc. BECAUSE we are supposed to LOVE each other in SPITE of our differences. That's the ultimate test. The ultimate third eye. The pathway to Heaven. It's so easy. Ariesc---when someone of another sign bothers me and I begin to fall into that ignorant trap---I can do that quickly with Gemini's---and a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing---I alway refer back to Lindas Twelve initiations of Love. It simplifies our purpose for swirling around each others lives. This world is getting small enough that it will not be able to sustain this kind of hatred. Oh I'm sure we can find something else to be upset about. But slowly and surely people are being forced to accept what they thought they could not. It sound a little callous but a couple of generations are going to have to die off as well. Thanks for letting me jump in.  Peace, Dani
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