Why exactly 121?? Any perticular reason??

Oh, one thing Aries, you know that you have to stay alive too don't you??

And I too want to hear from someone like 200 years to see with my own eyes that it's true. But I guess those oldies can't be found on internet, probably a too new invention for them to use

hi lorsa,the 121 was a sarcastically general figure considering not many people are known to live beyond it
Hey, check out Genesis 6:3 sometime..some bible scholars interpret that verse to mean Jesus lived to the age of 120 years.....
I dont fear death nor do I believe (personally) its important to have physical immortality. Im just not that earth grounded so to speak. I look forward to the experience of other dimensions, or the *rememberance* thereof.

Hi everyone!

It struck me that Greg and Rainbows wonderful descriptions coincide with Lindas Twelve Initiations of Love...from Aries /The Infant to Pisces/ Submission.

It makes sense to me...for why else would we have memories of times gone by...but not ALL the times gone by.

There are 'holes' in our memories from when we were NOT on this Earthly plane in a human form.

I have strong memories of the 18th century...as if I saw a lot of it.
the 19th century seems to be mostly Native American flashes of memory.
This is my 2nd time around in the 20th..

As Linda taught...if we flunk 4th grade...we are not sent back to 3rd...we repeat 4th until we get it right...then we move on.

peace!

Love,

Dani

Yes, I think I know what Genesis 6:3 says. Something about mans life being reduced to 120 years. By then Jesus wasn't really an ordinary human was he??

Hey Lorsa, does the Genesis really say that (my knowledge of Bible is a bit weak). I find the 120-year bit strange because in Hindu astrology (Vedic astrology) man's life is taken as 120 years and ALL our calculations are based on that. There is a very special system to determine it, called the Vimshottari Dasha system. Entails long calculations To simplify it, I had, for myself, posted a file at http://communities.msn.com/TheworldofAninditaBasu and made myself an MS-Excel file to help in the calculations .

Anyways, this post was to tell you that I was a bit taken aback at the 120-year connection in the Bible. Coincidences.

Strange indeed. But it is these small coinsidences that makes us beleive that maybe there is some truth behind every religion, ancient science and old legends that should be taken seriously. If I got your post right, you say that this vedic astrology says the same thing as the bible, right??

Lorsa. many many people dont even realize the connection between the Quraan, the Torah and the bible..the first 5 books of the bible is based on the scrolls of the Torah called the Pentateuch .The reason our version of the bible isnt understood fully is it has been translated and altered by the Ecumenical Councils, with the well known Council of Nicaea doing the greatest "damage"..its now thought that many areas of the bible talk about reincarnation,(of course a Hindu "belief") but is "hidden" under the guise of being "born again", ressurection etc,(the Christian religion of course would not agree)...its imperative one goes back to original scriptures to truly understand.
You are SO right in saying there is some truth to ALL the belief systems(that is a very enlightening statement !!)..one of the things I personally work on is to research and remove the falsehoods when possible. There is right and wrong in ALL things. The New Age movement is paramount in adding to a lot of the Babel in this area,so its wise to be careful. Jesus said in more than one verse..."false prophets, false christs,and false beliefs, will show great wonders to fool even the ELECT"..(this is actually one of the major prophecies of our time period)
Yes,a connectedness in ALL..I stay away from the word coincidence..hehe
Ani, thank you VERY much for that info on the 120 years, as I didnt know that either.

Hi Aries....

Interesting...your comments about false prophets etc....Linda kinda said it like this....

"Astrologers are not surprised at this burgeoing of a newborn belief in the occult. It has been foretold for centuries, long anticipated by esosteric Initiates. And be assured that it will continue to advance like a tidal wave, throughout the coming decades of the next two thousand years of the New Age, as the Aquarian 'children,' spanning all generation gaps, dance a little crazily down the Yellow Brick Road toward the Uranus ruled Emerald City of Oz...but beware Dorothy, lovable Lion, Tin Man, Scarecrow and innocent Toto! The land of Oz is not the true Emerald City of enlightment....there may be a few good faeries, with genuine magic wands hovering here and there, but Oz is awash in a surplus of glittering pseudo Wizards, hiding behind every Lollipop Bush and Gingerbread Tree...."

(italics..mine..for emhphasis)

Luv,
Rainbow~

thats cute Rainbow, ~thanks!~where is it from??

Hi Aries....

It's in the introduction to Star Signs....

Luv,
Rainbow~

OH I missed that one..hehe thanks again

Hi everyone,

just thought i'd say i really like what rimi had to say as no-one has responded to her ( him? ) yet...

Also, Aries i like a lot of what you say...

Greg, i agree with some of what you say but i must say that not totally... The sun does not "set" so to speak but it only appears to from our perspective... You have read "conversations with God" haven't you? Don't you agree that our bodies were designed to last forever but all that we subject them to is what has caused the gradual death of them... I agree that all is changing every moment... Nothing stays the same... But this does not mean that we necessarily have to die... We can die metaphorically by allowing ourselves and being open to, change... What do you think??
Having said this, i do not think that your average person ( to say the least ) is in a place to be able to claim immortality for themselves and so physical death is a part of our lives... who knows, maybe in some planets there are people who live in the same form forever, never needing to change form to be able to enjoy their life...

And i also believe that the immortals are hidden from most people because most people are not ready to accept them yet... It is not that they are hidden, it is that we do not see them... That they exist is clear, there is too much written about them and said about them for there to be any doubt on this matter in my opinion...

Water, i do think that blocked thoughts can make us old... Old, that is in the sense that old is sickness, slowness, decrease in energy etc... Old is also what we naturally get the longer we live - i do not think that we need succumb to the ravages of time (as they say) however... It is up to us probably...

Love to all...

Fuchsia

Hi Fuchsia,

For sure, if it exists for you it is real ... we do create our own realities! A consciousness of immortality - physical or otherwise - is a great thing. Please do not think I disparage your vision in any way by saying it is not my own.

I suppose what it boils down to for me is just that I consciously identify with a larger immortal S-elf than my physical body, so the long term persistence of the physical body itself just isn't a major focus for me. I do not doubt that there are ancient ascended masters among us who have attained a higher awareness and chosen to remain embodied to help others - and if such turns out to be my path, I won't kick and scream to be allowed to die!

But if the natural cycles of change carry me on to other shores in time, I'll be happy with that, too.

It's interesting to me that this topic has always stimulated such "polarized" discussions ... we seem to find it much easier to have differing viewpoints about most things, but whenever this topic comes up it always generates a lot of emotional pro-and-con energy, and we all (myself included) tend to want to strongly state and defend our own viewpoints. I wonder why this is?

Love,
Greg

Hi Greg,

thanks for your lovely responce...

To be honest, physical immortality is not a big issue for me either, i just wanted to take part in this interesting discussion... ( and on this interesting topic...)I do not feel the need to defend my position or to strongly state it, i only wanted to point out what i did and basically i think ( from what you said ) i think that we are in agreeance!!

Yes it is possible but obviously not necessary as our souls are immortal anyway and we pass from one form into another...

I do not want to necessarily live for ever in this physical form but then if at some point understand and feel it is necessary for me then i would like you do it!! Until that point however this remains a theoretical discussion...

I would like to keep this temple and body as well and as beautiful as i can while i live in it however and for this reason i am vegetarian ( and for the health of my soul too, i believe...) among other things things...

So perhaps the knowledge of being able to be physically immortal and that there are some beings who are and can be is great because it opens the mind to new possibilies and also adds to our quality of life while we are here??

Our souls are greater than our bodies and i am learning this more and more... So physical immortality ties into the idea that we are able to heal ourselves ( and our bodies...) and this is an idea which i am interested in...

Lots of love,

Fuchsia

Greg

Thank you Greg, i really appreciate all of those smiles and the understanding they convey...

Love...

Fuchsia

Why would immortals keep themself hidden?? If you know something I believe that you are obligated to tell people about it, and help them on their journey to enlightment.

Lorsa,

they do not keep themselves hidden, it's just us who does not see them...

What do you think would happen if they all showed up now in a public mall for example or in the San Marco Square ( main square of Venice... just an eg. to include Europe...) Do you think that they would have a nice welcome? I don't think so... I think people would be scared and or aggressive... I think people would take them off to the lab for tests...

So that's why, i believe, they only show themselves to people who are really open to them...

And anyway, as i said earlier, we have so many accounts of people having seen them that they may as well have appeared to us - certainly it is enough for me to believe that they exist... I do not need to personally see one to know that they exist, i just follow my particular path and use what i know ( until we use all that we know and have at our disposal there is no need to be given any new info anyway... )This is the point i think, to find your own way...

Eventually, if you want something enough,it comes to you however and so if your desire to see an immortal is great there is no way you will not see - even if it means in your next life or in what we call death or the space between incarnations...

BTW, a blocked thought is a thought which you do not follow through till the end... Or more precisely, a thought which you for some reason ( emotional usually ) do not want to deal with and so either repress ( stuff down inside yourself ) or else cut off in midstream ( same thing really...) Doing these things causes evergy blockages and if you do this enough or all the time you create health problems for yourself and definitely cut yourself off from options to express yourself and from being your true full whole healthy self...

So, let me know if this all makes sense to you...

Fuchsia

Makes sense, yes, makes me satisfied, no

If I want something enough it will come to me you say?? The things I do want very very much hasn't came to me yet. And I do not want them in another life, because my greatest desire is to accomplish everything here and now in this very life. I do not want to die before I KNOW. Know what existence is all about, and know eveything every people say I will know in the "death-life". I want all knowledge that is in God's hands. But, it is enough with the knowledge of how to avoid forget about your past lifes when you incarnate again.

And I think meeting with an immortal would be a great help for me, because hopefully he/she will be able to teach me how to do it myself.

fuchsia....you bring up some good points...I like what you have to say...

Lorsa...it seems to me that you need to exercise a little patience...as they say, "Rome wasn't built in a day." Tell me, did you have the same kind of understanding about life at age five, as you do today? I don't believe you were reading books at nine months old...it takes time!!!!! Knowledge comes to us, bit by bit, as we grow...

However, if you truly want answers, and spend every living breathing momentto that end...eight days a week...perhaps you can make your body immortal in this lifetime...but...it is my understanding that there is more than just certain exercises one must do to gain immortality. True spiritual growth is required as well...and that is developing your soul to almost a Saint...that is ..being the VERY BEST person you know how...ridding yourself of hatered, jealousy, envy, insincerity, and practising something called great virtues...such as kindliness, charity, courage, forbearance, humility, patience, tolerance and a few more....practicing them everyday, until they are ingrained in your soul...are you up for that? If so...then go for it...and do it NOW...don't wait another minute...time is of the essence...pray for the teacher...because obviously..you are ready....good luck

Luv and peace,
Rainbow~

clap clap Rainbow! wonderful!
Lorsa, I have mentors who have been on a path for 25 years and 27 years perspectively and still dont know all there is to know..they said when they do, they will be GOD

Lorsa,

i am not going to add anything to what the others have said ...

If you are deeply sincere in your wishes ( so then you find out and try every possible option which is given to you which helps you to reach your goal ) they come true... Until you are able to say that you have done that your desire is not deep or sincere enough in my opinion...I restate and stand by what i said...

Rainbow, thanks for your kind words...

Fuchsia

I have just started to try every possible option that is given to me. At least all possible options I am aware of. I know what I want to learn, I just need a teacher.

Oh rainbow, I know they say Rome wasn't built in a day, but I am not trying to build Rome Anyway, I believe I have been patient, I mean, I have waited almost my whole life. And i didn't read books when I was nine months old, but I guess I didn't feel the need for it at that moment. I do feel a need for, like Aries said, to become God (as a matter of fact I think that is the last step in human growing), and my life won't feel satisfying until I do.

Maybe I need to exercise some patience, but please, have patience with me, you know, Rome wasn't built in a day

BTW, I know what it takes to grow, and some moments in my life I feel like I am truly ready for that, but sometimes I don't. How come there are thousends of teachers teaching everything from languages to philosophy, but when it comes to the most important school of all, life, teachers are so hard to find??

Bravo, Lorsa. With that kind of persistence you will doubtless get where you are going!

BTW, I don't think teachers are that hard to find ... in many ways everyone you meet can be a teacher if you are open to the lessons, and there are many wise souls willing to share what they know. The difficulty is that with spiritual matters we are dealing with understandings that go beyond the ability of words and logic to convey, so one person's answers may not make sense to another (even though they are perfectly valid for the person who has them). As a result, it is dangerous (if not impossible) to rely on any teacher as an "authority" in spiritual matters. A good and wise teacher can put you on the right path and point the way to find the answers, but in the end you must find the final answers for yourself, through your own direct experience ... a frustrating situation, but there is no other way!

Love,
Greg

Lorsa....nooooo dont do it...turn and run,run as fast as you can~!!!
..oops,its too late now,theres a train a comin and you're already on it
A "good" teacher will always tell you to understand there is truth and there is lies in most all things. Its up to you to decide whats right for your path..Greg hit it right on the head. No one can tell you *how it is*,we can only show you different avenues to explore and the rest is up to you. Did you know Linda developed her theology and doctrines (belief systems) from a veriety of sources..she studied different religions along with astrology etc. She didnt just come "up" with this stuff out of her head

I can show you sites,and tell you about books that have helped me.
First,heres a site that was given today on Montel Williams about becoming and staying young... I havent even checked it out yet,but the Dr. said its a free site with a lot of info.. www.realage.com (kind of a coinkindinky that show was on eh? )

What Im going to list is simple things to read and study...no sense throwing the intense stuff at ya (yet)

One of the best books Ive ever read was called "Life Between Life"..by Dr.Joel Whitton and Joe Fisher..it explains karma and the soul in very understandable and fully believable ways.You may never be the same after reading this book.
Another good one about karma etc is one called.."Many Mansions:The Edgar Cayce Story on Reincarnation" by Gina Cerminara.
Anything to do with Edgar Cayce is most excellent. Did you know one of his main predictions for this age and the "pole shift" was Mt.Etnas eruption..oops,it seems to be happening now. This site is great.. http://ecayce.tripod.com/dir.htm
You could incorporate what Cayce had to say with the Bible,if that interests you. Before getting seriously into reading the bible, I would suggest you try and understand how the word of God was altered and translated by the hands of MAN
Check out this site www.fromthestars.com/page3.html (go to the Christianity and Religions link there)

Theres more, but what you will find with this info should set you on some sort of path..heed what Greg said..and
TAKE WHAT YOU NEED AND LEAVE THE REST BEHIND
Good luck,and blessings to you..
Oh, and Im assuming youve read Star Signs??
bye for now